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cass236 07-09-2009 08:41 PM

source of smoke?
 
My boat is 16 years old. When the engine runs it smokes just little bit. After i run the engine wide open and slow down to near idle speeds it smokes noticibly more for a few minutes. Is this a sign of my piston rings are going bad, or what would cause this. I suspect 50-60 hp has gone out to the pasture, but the shop tells me compression is good

jeffswav 07-09-2009 09:28 PM

Is it smoke or steam? Do you have through hull exhaust? If it is smoke it could be a lot of things. Rings, valve seals, the list goes on. If you want more power fresh-in it up.

niceguy 07-09-2009 10:25 PM

Do a leak down test to check the rings thoroughly. If that comes back good, then it is probably valve seals.

stevesxm 07-10-2009 04:28 AM

if its 16 years old would you really consider just fixing what you might identify as only one weak area ?

EVERYTHING in that motor is old. would you just do the rings or valve seals and put them back on 16 year old bearings and bores ?

just rebuild it and get it over with the first time.

cass236 07-10-2009 07:31 PM

How much should i pay for a engine rebuild? And in the process would it be best to keep it stock, how much more would it be to get it to 420-450hp. Can the bravo drive handle that power. From what ive read this hull should do 70 with around 400hp. my best is 61..

jeffswav 07-10-2009 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by cass236 (Post 2907550)
How much should i pay for a engine rebuild? And in the process would it be best to keep it stock, how much more would it be to get it to 420-450hp. Can the bravo drive handle that power. From what ive read this hull should do 70 with around 400hp. my best is 61..

OK, first off was that the "Dream O meter" or GPS. You need to give more details about your boat if you want good info. What type of boat, lenth, model, drive type, drive height, prop, ECT...

cass236 07-11-2009 08:57 AM

Boat is 93 rinker 236. closed bow. 502 mag carb. Prop is 23mirage plus. Last year it was spinning at 4700 rpm i could get 61 gps. This year it spins 5100rpm 61 gps??? Seems like a lot of prop slip to me. It has bravo with 1.5 ratio. Others have claimed 60+ gps with 330 hp 454. Old boat magazine archives from the early 90's report 63mph for 330hp, i think i saw 67mph for the 365 mag engine. It frustrates me I have a hard time getting 60 mph. This is on freshwater lakes in Mn

jeffswav 07-11-2009 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by cass236 (Post 2907782)
Boat is 93 rinker 236. closed bow. 502 mag carb. Prop is 23mirage plus. Last year it was spinning at 4700 rpm i could get 61 gps. This year it spins 5100rpm 61 gps??? Seems like a lot of prop slip to me. It has bravo with 1.5 ratio. Others have claimed 60+ gps with 330 hp 454. Old boat magazine archives from the early 90's report 63mph for 330hp, i think i saw 67mph for the 365 mag engine. It frustrates me I have a hard time getting 60 mph. This is on freshwater lakes in Mn

Your tach may be off, Rinkers gages are not the best. Your speed sounds normal. A friend of mine had one with the 454 Mag, 365 HP, 58 MPH GPS. Check out this website http://www.rbbi.com/folders/prop/propcalc.htm

jeffswav 07-11-2009 10:37 AM

If you want 70 MPH you will need 500 HP. You can't go by what people say, or a article that was written before the days of GPS. In the 90's the magazines would publish speeds to help advertisers sell boats. Almost all non GPS speedo's read 3 or more MPH fast. Either you can freshen up what you have for about 2k or you can spend 10k or more to get the 70MPH mark. This spring I did a roller cam upgrade through RMbuilder and I finally hit 69 MPH. I have a little more tweeking to do on it, when the humidity drops in the fall I should hit 70. Take a look at my thread "Roller Cam Upgrade".

Uncle Dave 07-11-2009 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by stevesxm (Post 2907064)
if its 16 years old would you really consider just fixing what you might identify as only one weak area ?

EVERYTHING in that motor is old. would you just do the rings or valve seals and put them back on 16 year old bearings and bores ?

just rebuild it and get it over with the first time.


Great advice.

Guessing- with no time crunch addition 4K to do a stock part rebuild. 1K for an in-n-out 3K for engine dis tear down/cleaning and freshening.

Better yet get an new shortblock and have you heads gone through, bolt everything up that works well (replace/fresh all or not?) and go boating.

If you want 70 you need a head intake combo cam and exhaust. good time to do this is in a rebuild. (this is what I would do but its not practical)

Really though if you are going to spend anything on it- just put it together with fresh stock/cheap parts and go boating dude.

Dont start the "circle jerk of speed" with a Rinker- more speed will lead to handling issues then you need steering, then tabs, then a bottom true....just clean it up and enjoy it for what it is.


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