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chattviper 10-28-2009 10:13 AM

600 sci motor issues UPDATE!!!!!
 
I need someone'e help here. I have twin 600 sci's Mercury, completely stock. My starboard motor on the starboard side of the motor turns my transom black...not soot...BLACK! but only on the starboard side of the starboard motor.

Its only on the starboard side of motor though. I've done compression and leak down test, all fine. I checked the plugs and 8 and 6 were a lil black but not fouled. I havent loss power, there is no blue smoke trailing behind me when im running along. I'm not hitting rev limiters. Ive checked the sea strainers and intercoolers...no blockage or trash in there.

My gut tells me its a computer issue and is making the starboard side run rich but thats just my thought.

What do I need to do next to track down and fix this problem?

motors have 130 hours on them.

thanks in advance guys!

Sean H 10-28-2009 10:18 AM

swap the ecu's between the two engines and see if the problem follows or stays the same.

chattviper 10-28-2009 10:21 AM

Great idea...not sure why i didnt think of that! thanks.


Originally Posted by Sean H (Post 2981086)
swap the ecu's between the two engines and see if the problem follows or stays the same.


FIXX 10-28-2009 10:24 AM

Also check your oil to make sure theirs no gas in thecrank case, would register over filled,smell the dipdtick for a hint of gas fumes...check crank case for blow by..could have some worn oil rings..

Young Performance 10-28-2009 09:51 PM

If the plugs are not showing an overly rich condition, my guess would be that it is burning some oil. If the engine was rich enough to blacken the transom that bad, it would show on the plugs. Oil burning will show real black on the transom.
If it is oil burning, the first place to look would be the valve stem seals if the engine leaked down good on that bank.
Does that engine have the injectors in the intake runners or is it in the rear of the blower?
Eddie

Strip Poker 388 10-28-2009 10:40 PM

Eddie isent most new style merc's port injected??

Like on my 3.3 the brass screen/filter on the throtal thingy gets cloged up and runs ruff at idle,rich.Does the 600 have the same thing? Guessing here.:drink:

westspeed 10-29-2009 01:28 AM

sometimes a very small oil leak from a hydraulic system on your transome will make black from your exhaust stick to the transome on and around the side its leaking from , i,e. trim hoses steering hoses fittings...it can be misleading

i have chased, false engine issues to this simple problem many a time in the passed

but if you still believe you are rich on one engine. wide band o2 sensor would be the way to find out. some performance shops have a portable version to check the air/fuel ratios when tuning

CB-BLR 10-29-2009 03:12 AM

Eddie,
On a merc 600sci.. the injectors are in the intake ports.

Swapping computers side to side seems like a good idea.

I would check the cleanness of your air cleaner on that side also... this has caused my 600 to blacken the transom.

If all that fails.. do a leak down test as Eddie suggested... and he is correct in that it is most possibly a valve seal.

If you have done all that and it is still a problem... an O2 sensor will tell you if it is really running rich.. if that is the problem... you probably have a sticky injector... have them checked and serviced on that motor.

Hope this helps,

Chris

Young Performance 10-29-2009 07:04 AM

Since it is a multiport injection, it is real easy to determine if it is injector related. Any injector shop can test flow the injectors on that side of the engine. They would be able to tell real quick if that is the problem.
I don't thinkk swapping the ecm will do much unfortunately. It is EXTREMELY rare that anything goes wrong with the ecm's.
Westspeed made an excellent post. Check all of the ancillary things on the transom to see if anything else could be causing the transom to blacken.
Rob, the brass piece you are talking about is a filter for the IAC (idle air controller) Yes, it will cause a rough idle if it gets plugged up since air can not flow through it. Pretty much all of the air that keeps the engine idleing goes through that filter. I use a small K&N filter on mine to stop that from happening. They work much better than the brass ones.
Basically, if the injectors check out OK and the engine leaks good, then I would remove a header and look in the exhaust ports for oil. If a valve stem seal is bad, then you should see some oil on the stem and in the port.
Good luck.
Eddie

chattviper 10-29-2009 07:19 AM

Eddie,

thanks allot for your input. I'll see if i can find a place that can check my injectors here in Chattanooga (too bad im not in nashville near you)
I will check everything on the back of the transom as stated.
Will also do a leak down test.
do i need to to get a wide band o2 sensor and check that?

thanks to you ALL for your help...hope to straighten this out soon!!



Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2981649)
Since it is a multiport injection, it is real easy to determine if it is injector related. Any injector shop can test flow the injectors on that side of the engine. They would be able to tell real quick if that is the problem.
I don't thinkk swapping the ecm will do much unfortunately. It is EXTREMELY rare that anything goes wrong with the ecm's.
Westspeed made an excellent post. Check all of the ancillary things on the transom to see if anything else could be causing the transom to blacken.
Rob, the brass piece you are talking about is a filter for the IAC (idle air controller) Yes, it will cause a rough idle if it gets plugged up since air can not flow through it. Pretty much all of the air that keeps the engine idleing goes through that filter. I use a small K&N filter on mine to stop that from happening. They work much better than the brass ones.
Basically, if the injectors check out OK and the engine leaks good, then I would remove a header and look in the exhaust ports for oil. If a valve stem seal is bad, then you should see some oil on the stem and in the port.
Good luck.
Eddie


Young Performance 10-29-2009 07:33 AM

In order to check with a wideband, you will need to install bungs in the exhaust. They can be put in the tailpipes, but they will need to be removed to weld them in. I would check the other things first before I would install the bungs.I have widebands and could be persuaded to make a trip to Chattanooga if need be. Just let me know.
Eddie

CB-BLR 10-29-2009 10:55 AM

Eddie definately knows what he is talking about.

Chris

chattviper 10-29-2009 01:31 PM

Thank you Eddie....i will keep you posted with my findings.

thank you to everyone else as well..

customryder 10-29-2009 01:38 PM

why dont you just sell em....:drink:

Brad Zastrow 10-29-2009 01:54 PM

Did you change the spark plugs when you noticed the black ones? I have seen fouled plugs cause black soot on the transom. Cheap easy fix to try first.

chattviper 10-30-2009 07:13 AM

LOL...Because I cannot fine anyone w the 700 NXT/#6 set up that will sell to me!!!



Originally Posted by customryder (Post 2981899)
why dont you just sell em....:drink:


chattviper 11-16-2009 08:13 AM

Update!!!
 
Well, I went through all the checks and wasnt able to find anything.

After sitting and thinking for awhile I rembered that I changed the drive on that side about the same time it started turning my transom black. Not only that but I was having to top off the drive reservoir every time I went out.

So, I did and pressure test on the drive and low and behold the top cap on the XR/ITS drive has a little set screw towards the transom that was leaking

Tightened it up and took it out this weekend....Nothing at all on my transom after an hour of riding around!! :coolcowboy::evilb::drink:

Thanks guys for all your help!

OSO does it again! Nice to come on here to get info and help!!


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