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Dock Holiday 12-04-2009 01:58 PM

What oil pan to use?
 
What brand oil pans do you guys like to use?

I'm looking for recommendation for marine application, 540 CI with Dart block.

Thank you

Smitty 12-04-2009 02:05 PM

I assume you have 1 piece RR. main seal.

Here is what I used on my 540's

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=18-362

I also installed these so no more dry starts:

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=24-016

Smitty

cougarman 12-04-2009 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3000725)
What brand oil pans do you guys like to use?

I'm looking for recommendation for marine application, 540 CI with Dart block.

Thank you


I have a few of the Keith Eickert cast aluminum pans.
New they were over a grand each. think you can get them around $700 each now.

If you like I will let two of them go for $400 each.
They are either 12 or 14 quart,.......can't remember off hand.


Jon

Dock Holiday 12-04-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 3000728)
I assume you have 1 piece RR. main seal.

Here is what I used on my 540's

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=18-362

I also installed these so no more dry starts:

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/...ion&key=24-016

Smitty

Smitty,

Dart uses the 2pc rear main seal.

Thanks
Mark

Smitty 12-04-2009 02:45 PM

Mark

Canton also makes pans for the 2 piece rr main seal. They have all kinds of pans.

Are you looking for steel or aluminum. I went with steel to save $$$$$.

Dave

kvogt 12-04-2009 02:51 PM

I use the Canton 18-364 - BBC REAR SUMP MARINE POWER PAN (18-364)
A little more money but it a nice pan.

Kris Vogt

Dock Holiday 12-04-2009 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 3000743)
I have a few of the Keith Eickert cast aluminum pans.
New they were over a grand each. think you can get them around $700 each now.

If you like I will let two of them go for $400 each.
They are either 12 or 14 quart,.......can't remember off hand.


Jon

Jon,

I am interested in those. Do you have any pictures or other information on them?

Thanks
Mark

GPM 12-04-2009 03:30 PM

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Smitty 12-04-2009 04:24 PM

Mark

Make sure you will have enough clearance under those KE pans. The stringers in our boats are close to the bottom of the motors.

Smitty

whoya 12-04-2009 04:29 PM

Canton here

BenPerfected 12-04-2009 07:43 PM

Jon,
Are the KE pans the ones with the flat plate on the front and do they include the windage trays? If so, I will take both at $400 ea.
Ben

cougarman 12-05-2009 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3000765)
Jon,

I am interested in those. Do you have any pictures or other information on them?

Thanks
Mark

Doc,

Here is a pic off Eickert website, My engines are coming out this afternoon and I can get you additional pictures at that point. :drink:

I have three,........they are purple but I would be happy to stripp them to bare again.


Thanks
Jon

cougarman 12-05-2009 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3000901)
Jon,
Are the KE pans the ones with the flat plate on the front and do they include the windage trays? If so, I will take both at $400 ea.
Ben


See above,.............this is what they are and I have three of them.

Thanks
Jon

BenPerfected 12-05-2009 05:43 PM

Jon,
When you get them out, see if the have the flat plate in the front. Keith used this surface to mount an external oil pump inline with the crank. He made these pans cast with and without the plate. If they have the plate, I will take one or two...whatever is left after Dock gets what he wants.
Thanks,
Ben

cougarman 12-06-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3001355)
Jon,
When you get them out, see if the have the flat plate in the front. Keith used this surface to mount an external oil pump inline with the crank. He made these pans cast with and without the plate. If they have the plate, I will take one or two...whatever is left after Dock gets what he wants.
Thanks,
Ben


I took these pictures prior to seeing your question.

Is this round flat with the hole in it right below the crank what you are talking about?


Like I said earlier,..........if either of you are interested in any of the the three pans I would be happy to stip them down so they are ready to go.

Thanks Jon

cougarman 12-06-2009 06:17 PM

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Few more pictures

cougarman 12-06-2009 06:19 PM

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And this is how to make life simple,.......Field service truck with a remote control crane :drink:



Jon

cougarman 12-07-2009 11:28 AM

Dock Holiday & Ben Perfected,

Are these of interest to either of you?



Thanks

Jon

Dock Holiday 12-07-2009 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 3002162)
Dock Holiday & Ben Perfected,

Are these of interest to either of you?



Thanks

Jon

Jon,

My problem as been resolved so I do not need them.

Many thanks

Doc

Dock Holiday 12-07-2009 03:26 PM

Thanks to all of you that responded to this thread. I had oil leaks from day one on the new engines we built last year around the oil pans and we thought that new pans would be the best and proper repair. However we discovered with the help of the rigger and the original engine builder that we could solve the problem without new pans for very few $$$.

Thank you all for your input.

Merry Christmas

cougarman 12-07-2009 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3002258)
Jon,

My problem as been resolved so I do not need them.

Many thanks

Doc



Cool,................Glad ya figured it out !

Thanks for the response too!! :drink:



Jon

socalstone 12-07-2009 05:37 PM

I have a Dooley 10qt on my jet. Nice pan. Have about 8 seasons on it with no issues. Still looks new. They make 8, 10, and 14qt i think.

BenPerfected 12-08-2009 07:00 PM

Jon,
Thanks for the pictures but these are not the model of the KE pan that we are using. All, these are excellent pans and $400 is a very fair price.

Young Performance 12-08-2009 11:08 PM

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Here are some pics of the pans that I use. I have them cusom built to my specs. It has multiple one way trap doors to be sure that the pickup never comes uncovered. Also, the design of the windage tray ensures that the oil will not be aerated by the crank and rods.
Eddie

Young Performance 12-08-2009 11:11 PM

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Couple more

fbc25el 12-09-2009 07:37 AM

I have a Dan Olson pan on my motor. It works great! The insides look a lot like the one Eddie has in his picture.

Young Performance 12-09-2009 10:06 AM

That's who builds mine. We have worked on and changed the design of the pan quite a few times to get what we have now. They build the best pans out there IMO. First class welding and customer service. We recently started doing a Tee sump pan that is really nice. I will take some pics of one and post it.
Eddie

cougarman 12-09-2009 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 3003266)
That's who builds mine. We have worked on and changed the design of the pan quite a few times to get what we have now. They build the best pans out there IMO. First class welding and customer service. We recently started doing a Tee sump pan that is really nice. I will take some pics of one and post it.
Eddie

Whats a TEE sump pan Eddie?



Thanks
Jon

Young Performance 12-09-2009 11:46 AM

Instead of the pan having a straight wall or a small kickout on one side, it has a larger kickout on both sides. The pan is essentially shaped like the letter T.
Eddie

cougarman 12-10-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3002983)
Jon,
Thanks for the pictures but these are not the model of the KE pan that we are using. All, these are excellent pans and $400 is a very fair price.


BenPerfected,

Is this the threaded hole you were asking about?

Thanks
Jon

BenPerfected 12-10-2009 09:15 PM

It is not a hole but an approx 1/2" thick "plate" that is part of the casting....maybe 4" X 6".

cougarman 12-11-2009 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3004154)
It is not a hole but an approx 1/2" thick "plate" that is part of the casting....maybe 4" X 6".



Hmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,wonder what that mounting hole is for then ? Cause no part of my set-up was mounted to it.



Jon

picklenjim 12-11-2009 11:29 AM

cougarman,
Just curious as to why you have decided to not use those pans any more. Did you have any problems with them? I am looking at pans and trying to decide on one. Also do those pans clear a stock Mercruiser sea water pump,the kind mounted by the fuel pump. And do they clear a stock positioned oil filter.
Thanks Jim

cougarman 12-11-2009 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by picklenjim (Post 3004380)
cougarman,
Just curious as to why you have decided to not use those pans any more. Did you have any problems with them? I am looking at pans and trying to decide on one. Also do those pans clear a stock Mercruiser sea water pump,the kind mounted by the fuel pump. And do they clear a stock positioned oil filter.
Thanks Jim




Jim,

NO problems with the pans, Switching to Dry Sump pans and pumps.

And yes to all your other questions they clear all item's.
To give you a little history, these were originally built by Stotler if you follow the race circuit at all. Freshend by Carolina Racing, and then Chief Engines changed a few things on the top side of the engines.

Guess what I'm getting at is I feel they are quaility parts and they were the choice of a very qualified engine builder also.

Hope that helps with your concerns. They are very robust also.


Thanks again
Jon

BenPerfected 12-11-2009 03:58 PM

Jon,
Depending on the set up, I believe the hole was mostly used for the attaching the adjusting arm on a low mount alternator.
Ben

picklenjim 12-11-2009 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3004505)
Jon,
Depending on the set up, I believe the hole was mostly used for the attaching the adjusting arm on a low mount alternator.
Ben

Ditto that.


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