Wet Sounds XS-10FA, as I said before. These are designed for infinite baffle, 250W rms, 500 peak. http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/products/XS-10FA.html


Jonyb
If you would please price out 4 tens along with recommended box size as well as port size and length. Thanks for your help. I will be certain to drive them accordingly and won't scrimp on power. Just thought I would mention I do like to run them a slight bit on the loose side. I have heard boxes (subs) that are extremely tight and not that there is nothing wrong with that however.... Hope that makes sense. Once again if you don't mind send a price to

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I only have just over 11" on the heigth to work with under the rear seat. the depth is probably near 14" and width is near 78". I can confirm the second two numbers if we are running tight on cubic feet.

thanksm
John

Also better shoot me a price on the xs650's and or the ss65's. I assume that four of the xs650's would be best with 4 tens. They look like they cover a wide mid range.
Thanks,
John

I would use the PC2150's. They are group 31's and you can get Marine battery box hold downs for them.
http://www.odysseybatteries.net/PC2150-battery.html

Just bought (4) Kinetik 1400's for 149.00ea. This appeared to be the best price I could find for the watts/battery.

I also looked at the others Odessey and Stinger, but the price couldn't be beat.

The Stinger's are pricey, but they also come with a 2-year replacement warranty. I'd put them up to any battery on the market.....

I"m not very stereo savy so thoughts on what I think I'd like to build for the 32 Skater project will be appreciated.

Fusion CD-600 head w/ i-Pod dock connection
JL Audio MHD600/4 for 4 speakers
JL Audio M770-CCW-SG-TB two sets in cockpit
JL Audio M10W5-SG 10" Single 4 ohm subs x 4
JL Audio M1700 x 2 (2 subs per amp wired parallel)

5-man Piratecom M40 intercom

I like the zone volume control in the Fusion head to be able to control the cockpit volume separately from the intercom system.

The subs will be in the open side storage areas (2 on each side)kind of facing each other one forward and one aft at each end of the cockpit. Then place the four cockpit speakers on the side panels one near the front bucket seats and one set by the rear bench.

Will this get the tight pounding base and clear sound that I hope for?:wuerg019:
Anything we should add like capacitor, etc.?
What battery system should we add?

It seems that some of you like these subs............ What about the rest of the components?

Good discussion!

My preference is the Alpine PDX amps. They draw less power, create less heat, and are very compact. You should not need need capacitors, just a couple good batteries like the Odyssey, Stinger or Kinetics. I would think about another 2-4 speakers in the cockpit. You should be able to just run them in parallel off the same amp if it is 2 ohm stable. The PDX's are 2 ohm stable. You could install the initial 4 770's, but have a plan to add more speakers if needed.

Has anyone used the JL class D amps? They are more pricy than the PDX's but read they have better sound quality. Not sure thats worth the extra price in boating environment. I am using PDX's as stated by Griff.

For battery, Sears has a new marine type 31 battery made by Odyssey. They are new to my boat this yr since the old cheap ones stopped holding a charge last yr. They are about $250 which is about half of Oddessy charges from everywhere i looked.

*edit- After reading seeing Griffs link, looks like he found an Odyssey closer in price. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...rine+Batteries

Like Griff stated, plan for expansion. The 770 components are awesome speakers, but in a boat it is difficult to get the volume out of the boat. Installing on sides will allow the sound to bounce around inside the boat, but difficult to hear on the water or on shore. Need to get them as high as possible and if you can make pods that will allow the speakers to face upward some, will make a difference.

Just to preface: I cannot speak to the quality of the PDX amps as I have not run them.. BUT.. I do know they rate the amps at 14.5 (or so) volts coming in. They do (if I understand correctly) have a slight power loss at 12 volts. JL has some sort of power system in their amps that avoids this. They produce 600 watts from 11-14 volts.

I use JL Class D amps. 2 600/4 driving 8 6.5 speakers (4 ohms per speaker) and 4 10 inch free air subs powerd by 750/1 JL Amp.

I also power 2 770 speakers with a 300/4 (Bridged).

This setup sounds crazy loud and clean. The bass is not as "tight" as one would like but I did not have room for a box for the subs. However the bass does "travel" well when we are tied up in a line. Besides, once you are ties up with all the noise around you it is the mids and esp the highs that you hear the most several boats away..

I am powering this with 2 simple Interstate group 29 bats. I got remanufactured bats 2 years ago for $35 bucks. Just keep them on a charger.. They play 3/4 vol for hours and hours..

I had heard JL was coming out with digital amps, but didn't know they were on the market yet. I haven't needed anything and haven't really paid attention. Looking at the JL website, they look very similar to the PDX's. I'm sure he can't go wrong with them. JL makes high quality stuff.
Not sure about the 14.4 vs 12V rating. I have no noticeable difference in sound quality with the batteries at 12 or 14 volts. Im actually running my system with 2 PDX amps off of 1 of Interstate group 29M Deep cycles.

What is everyones thought on a 10" bazooka tube. i have a 22zx donzi and don't really have room for a box since i want to leave my cushion in the cuddy

Thats the problem in mine 4 down low and 4 in the sides,It just doesn't sound loud to me.I was thinking about changing out the MB quarts 6.5 to the JL 770's .Do you all think its worth changing out??

You guys that like the PDX and JL amps, check out the Wet Sounds Syn amps. They're made for hot environments, very efficient, small chassis', and marine grade at that.

The Syn6 is a 1000W 6-channel and can play any combo of cockpit speakers along with the subs.

http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/produ..._overview.html

Also, the WS-420 is a line-driver/pre-amp/dual-zone equalizer that can control the cockpit, cabin, and sub completely separately. This way you could turn the cabin speakers down completely, while playing the cockpit speakers and sub.

http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/products/WS-420.html

I really like the syn6. It looks like channels 5 and 6 would handle the subs. Is it possible to run 4 tens with this set up or just 2? I would really like to try this out. On the high side I would plan to run 3 sets of the xs650's and just an additional couple of tweeters. If I would be better off with two amps with the above set up be sure and let me know when you can. Thanks for emailing the other info. I'm pretty convinced in regards to the subs and 6.5's.

John

THe Syn6's sub channel is 600W. You could power 3 or 4 of the XS-10FA's with the Syn6. They're a dual 2 or dual 4 ohm configuration. I'd recommend 3 of the dual 4's for a 2 ohm load. You could manage to power 4 of them, but I don't think it's enough power for 4. Id go to the Syn1 for 4 subs. It'll play down to 1 ohm mono.

Extra tweeters aren't necessary. I replaced a set of Polk Momo components in a customers boat with Clarion tweeters and XS-650's. I only used the tweeters because they wanted to fill the holes with something that worked. The Polks were blown. It's honestly too much with the 4 extra tweeters. The 650's are enough, and honestly I haven't heard any speakers as bright as these. They're a true component style speaker, as the tweeter floats over teh woofer, not through it like most coaxials.

http://jonyb.webs.com/photos/Random-Boats/DSC_7330.JPG
http://jonyb.webs.com/photos/Random-Boats/DSC_7329.JPG

thanks,
sent you an email also.

Grif.
Those interstate group 29m deep cycle batteries are great huh? got 2 running my system.. i buy re-mans every 2 or 3 years.. $35 a piece.. just keep'em filled with water.. had one explode on me 2 winters ago.. took out a jl audio 250/1 with it.. ugh.. what a mess

Its been great so far. I've had it for two full seasons and never run it all the way down yet.

What are you running off the single 29M?

I have one in my boat with the amp built in; it works good for me. I have installed under the rear bench up in the seat, my seat is hollow and it fits perfect.

Sounds like a good reason to buy more :lolhit:

Don't expect much from the Bazookas. In fact, don't expect most of them to last a couple months. Several customers have brought those in for install and they didn't last more than a week. The amps in them are junk.

I have 3 10 inch diamond audio subs under my seat no box and they BLOW my old jl audio subs away

A PDX 4.150 to 8 DC Gold's(6 7"s and 2 6x9's) and a PDX 4.100 that I have bridged going to 2 Alpine 10" subs. The 4.100 is a little light on power for the subs, but I had already had it. It will also be an easy swap to go to a PDX with more power if I ever want to.

VERY clean install, nice work!

What about the Kicker Marine stuff, Its not super high end, but, priced pretty fair, anyone use it? whats it like?

i had the kicker marine 6.5" in my old boat. they sounded good for the $70 or so they cost. these were the version before the current model.

I had 4 KM10's under the rear seat of my 25' Outlaw, and 2 of the component sets in the cockpit. The KM10's were okay at best. I think the Wet Sounds XS10FA's sounded a lot better. The components were okay, except for having a separate tweeter. Most component sets these days you can mount the tweeter over the woofer like a coaxial, the Kicker's were'nt build that way.

I have a single Bazooka in the side compartment of my Formula. Two seasons, no problems, sounds great in the cockpit but doesn't really rock the bay like other boats do. If I don't sell the boat this spring I plan to upgrade.

Thanks Jonyb for the help. I will get in touch after the long weekend. You have done well with answering all my questions and I look foward to using your products. I am really looking foward to it. I may even consider the three tens and utilizing the syn6. All the wet sound stuff looks really nice and I like the way their website cover all recommended applications for their components. I just need to keep my eyes peeled for a good Alpine head unit. Anybody have a good line on those be sure and let me know. Otherwise I would consider used if somebody is upgrading or just selling. Thanks again for your help.

Once again do you feel that 3) - XS-10FA subs and 3 pairs of the xs650 would be satisfactory for the cockpi?. I certainly am not looking to win any contest however just want decent base and good clean sound. I think for the cuddy I will just install another unit all together with a small amp and a couple of speakers. I actually have most of the stuff for that here already sitting on the shelf. I typically only use the cuddy to pass out in after a long day in the sun and drinking some buds. LOL... Also are the xs650's as equally as good as comperable 6x9's? I always thought round was always better than any oval or square speeker due to the balancing of it. Makes sense. Just let me know.

John

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The "good reason" is they are cheap.. Most batteries are the same.. No reason to spend tons of $$$.. they can drain and recharge over and over till they are done.. Interstate makes a quality battery.. And the remans are often a great deal.. They have plenty of AMP/HRS to drive 4 JL Amplifiers for about 4-5 hours at 3/4-100% full volume.. (although to be honest I did not experience one failure all last year from the bats being drained)..

The key is to make sure they have water!!! if not.. ANY fill battery will explode when left on a charger.. (so.. my fault not the battery)..

The batteries I use are dry-cell's. Don't have to worry about all that.

Just a peek at the Subs going in. I will post pictures of this project as it comes together.
JL 12w7's

How much air space is in there? They look tiny, especially with the displacement of the woofers.

They are a little small. There only1.8 cu/ft. I may have to expand them alittle wider. I don't have much room on the starboard side to go much wider because of the battery switch. Also, I am mounting the amps in the middle.

Sealed calls for 1.875 and displacement is .21, so looks like you've got it pretty close, as long as it's completely sealed.

what about a solar baric style sub? Dont they require less space? 12 inch,box size,cf

solo-baric, and most woofers these days take the same amount or a little bit more.

a 12 1 cubic foot?