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SickSation 08-21-2010 08:08 PM

Prop, carb, rpm questions..
 
Long story short, I pulled my 454 mpi and swapped to a merc n/a 575hp 540.

What I had

prop- labbed 24p solas 3 blade
454 mpi 310hp
GPS- 66.2
RPM- 4300


What I now Have

prop- 28p 4 blade
540ci 575hp
GPS-68.4
RPM-4500
range- 4800-5200rpm

The boat still has a ton of bottom end. It comes out of the hole hard. I think i need a 30p. I think a big part of my problem is that the motor came with a quadrajet on it for some reason. will a bigger carb make that big of a difference? I expected to see very close to 80 if not faster. Boat is a 01 sunsation aggressor 25ft.

By the way I tried a 26p and the 28p with the same water conditions today and the boat was no faster top end and the RPMs were the same. I did have one more person with me... Anyone have any ideas?

fireboatpilot 08-21-2010 09:02 PM

I think max rpm on a 540cu in/575hp should be closer to the 5800 mark. That being said. Try the biggest prop you can get ahold of. When it won't let you reach peak rpm deduct 200-300 rpm for each step in pitch needed to reach max rpm. In other words if 32P prop will max you out at WOT at 5000rpm and max rpm is 5400 you need to go back 2 steps to a 30P. or reverse it for the opposite. If your maxing out rpms at 5400 and you still have more throttle to go then you need to go up in pitch. That Chester might flow 650-700cfm. Trash it. I would say an 850cfm Holley might do it. Without knowing more about your engines. I'm no expert but a 3 blade 30P might work better maybe even a 32P The 4 blade might be knocking off a couple mph top end. Watch the hole shots, you'll be grenading the drive next. More info is helpful. We don't mind dooing the reading and guys can give more accurate answers and advice with alot of info. Maybe I helped? Others will chime in and correct my bad info.

Young Performance 08-21-2010 11:33 PM

First things first.......was the engine put on the dyno to absolutely verify the hp or was this number just thrown out there? You are way off on something. Either the engine is not making the power, or something is terribly wrong with the hull. I would be surprised if the engine made 575 hp with a Roachcather. Those carbs can do it, but you need to know what you are doing.
Did you change the drive when you changed the engine? Could it have a different gear ratio? If you are making 575 hp and have a 1.5:1 gear ratio, you should spin a 28 a bunch harder than 4500 rpm. Personally, I don't think the engine is making the power. I don't know anything about it, but that is my best guess. Give us a little more info and we will go from there to try to help you out the best we can.
Eddie

SickSation 08-22-2010 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 3187881)
First things first.......was the engine put on the dyno to absolutely verify the hp or was this number just thrown out there? You are way off on something. Either the engine is not making the power, or something is terribly wrong with the hull. I would be surprised if the engine made 575 hp with a Roachcather. Those carbs can do it, but you need to know what you are doing.
Did you change the drive when you changed the engine? Could it have a different gear ratio? If you are making 575 hp and have a 1.5:1 gear ratio, you should spin a 28 a bunch harder than 4500 rpm. Personally, I don't think the engine is making the power. I don't know anything about it, but that is my best guess. Give us a little more info and we will go from there to try to help you out the best we can.
Eddie

I appreciate all of the info. the motor is a factory built mercruiser 540 575hp N/A. They built them from 86-92 I didnt dyno it, but it spins a 28p 4 blade like its nothing. Im just lacking on the rpms. I put on a brand new 750 duoble pumper today and saw little to no gain. The hull is flawless ( stepped hull btw) and the outdrive hasnt been changed.

I need to check my fuel pressure as well. The motor is rated at 4800-5200 from merc. Im not 100% sure that the internals and intake (dual plane) are stock, but the guy i bought it from told me that it was. Its a torque monster for sure, but im just not getting the rpms... I figure getting the rpms to 5000 is the first step, then tryin a 30p. Any mor ideas?

Brushwolf243 08-22-2010 07:17 PM

Roachcather :lolhit:

Did you change exhaust??

surmirage 08-22-2010 08:22 PM

I have the same problem with my newly build 540 na. Only pulling max 4500rpm with 28p 4b. OSO members advised me to add performance exhaust because the stock 454 exhaust is restricting the hp. Its on back order.

SickSation 08-22-2010 08:32 PM

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Ive got stainless marine manifolds. Figured i wasnt to the point of needing headers yet.

SickSation 08-22-2010 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by surmirage (Post 3188368)
I have the same problem with my newly build 540 na. Only pulling max 4500rpm with 28p 4b. OSO members advised me to add performance exhaust because the stock 454 exhaust is restricting the hp. Its on back order.

What boat do you have and whats your top speed?

SickSation 08-23-2010 07:02 AM

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surmirage 08-23-2010 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by SickSation (Post 3188484)
What boat do you have and whats your top speed?

Baja h2x 24.5ft. Best top I got was 70 mph @ 4500rpm, 2 people with 40gal(1/2 tank). I have 850 carb dual plane intake. Stock 7.4mpi exhaust. When my carb wasn't jetted right it was pinging and I was turning 4500rpm also but only 65mph. With the right jets it picked up 5mph. Everyone thinks the stock exhaust is holding back at least 400rpm or more...now its waiting game for new gen3 stainless marine exhaust. Make some hard pulls and stop to check color of plugs. See if your fuel is correct. Clean the carb.

SickSation 08-23-2010 01:15 PM

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Your running right about where im at. I believe its the carb in my situation. Lack of fuel and possibly a restrictive spark arrestor.

SickSation 08-23-2010 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by surmirage (Post 3188827)
Baja h2x 24.5ft. Best top I got was 70 mph @ 4500rpm, 2 people with 40gal(1/2 tank). I have 850 carb dual plane intake. Stock 7.4mpi exhaust. When my carb wasn't jetted right it was pinging and I was turning 4500rpm also but only 65mph. With the right jets it picked up 5mph. Everyone thinks the stock exhaust is holding back at least 400rpm or more...now its waiting game for new gen3 stainless marine exhaust. Make some hard pulls and stop to check color of plugs. See if your fuel is correct. Clean the carb.

750 double pumper is brand new out of the box so i know its clean. Im pretty sure i just need more fuel. Ill make some pulls and yank a plug. thanks man

surmirage 08-23-2010 01:21 PM

sicksation, I had a 7.4mpi 310hp in my boat and best speed was 53mph with 23p. Looking at your numbers with 66mph, I know now that my 7.4 wasn't pulling the 310hp it suppose to.

surmirage 08-23-2010 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by SickSation (Post 3188833)
750 double pumper is brand new out of the box so i know its clean. Im pretty sure i just need more fuel. Ill make some pulls and yank a plug. thanks man

Just to give you an idea on my rejet, we had to go 7 sizes up on the low and 5 sizes on the high. This a proform 850 race carb. We also turn back the ign timing abit. I've also done research on OSO and people picked up more hp and rpm with 1050 dominator single plane on 540ci NA.

SickSation 08-23-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by surmirage (Post 3188847)
Just to give you an idea on my rejet, we had to go 7 sizes up on the low and 5 sizes on the high. This a proform 850 race carb. We also turn back the ign timing abit. I've also done research on OSO and people picked up more hp and rpm with 1050 dominator single plane on 540ci NA.


hmm... the same guy that has the 1050 also has a performer single plane for 100.00.. Wonder if i should try it...

SickSation 08-23-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by surmirage (Post 3188837)
sicksation, I had a 7.4mpi 310hp in my boat and best speed was 53mph with 23p. Looking at your numbers with 66mph, I know now that my 7.4 wasn't pulling the 310hp it suppose to.


It averaged about 64 mph, but it would do that all day. Sunsation hulls are pretty fast hulls.

ezstriper 08-24-2010 08:28 AM

750 is not going to cut it..even the stock HP500 came with a 800 and 850 going to be a min and dominator not going to be a bad idea with a 540..will add h/p, exhaust can be a killer

SickSation 08-24-2010 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 3189436)
750 is not going to cut it..even the stock HP500 came with a 800 and 850 going to be a min and dominator not going to be a bad idea with a 540..will add h/p, exhaust can be a killer

Im gettin the dominator today and going to make some more pulls. I would think stainless marine manifolds would be enough right or wrong?

SickSation 08-24-2010 08:40 AM

Any opinions on single plane or dual plane intake on this motor?

surmirage 08-24-2010 01:20 PM

Sicksation, your exhaust in pics looks to be sufficient for now but please check the gaskets or replace it just in case. Try the dominator first . I ordered stainless marine gen3 5" tailpipe and will let you know how it performs. I haven't tried dominator with single plane yet, thats my next step when new exhaust is calling for more fuel. good luck I think your going right direction.

bajabob 08-24-2010 02:46 PM

single plane will work better .put a spacer under the carb. it will give you more hp

SickSation 08-25-2010 09:12 PM

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I am now hearing that it came stock with a team G single plane and a 1050 so i was heading in the right direction.

2Slow4me 08-30-2010 10:48 PM

what is the x dimension of your drive?

if it is low consider a shorter drive before you buy a prop

i gained 10 mph, my x was soblow the cavitation plate was in the water @ speed.

Chrisrug 09-01-2010 11:38 PM

big big jets on the holley. or go with an 850dbl pumper or a dominator but i dont think you need that much a 1050 dominator with big jets will support 700 hp all day. the 850 will have better low end/idle characteristics. nothins worse than a loaded up engine when you need to be putting around


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