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gsxr1216 11-04-2010 04:53 PM

exhaust manifolds have weird "burn" pattern in them?
 
so i pulled my motor in my '90 Baja 250 (454 Mag carbed with a bravo) to fix a leaking Y pipe from my silent choice and have decided to do some checking on the motor while its out, and do some minor upgrades like roller cam, rebuild the heads, ETC.

Anyway i got the exhaust manifolds off and saw a cylinder port on each manifold that looks way different then the others which is weird??? funny part is when looking inside the heads they dont seem to show as drastic a change in color as the manifolds do?? i compression checked on all cylinders and had about 5-8 psi total delta from highest to lowest so that is all good

so any ideas why they few ports look like this?

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3283.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3282.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3281.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3280.jpg

Turbojack 11-04-2010 05:22 PM

What do the spark plugs look like? Stock intake and carb? I think one of your problems were valve seals, but there is more to it then that.

Fixxxer22 11-04-2010 05:42 PM

cylinder 5 looks like it has a bad valve seal. that white color looks like its getting hot, too hot.

gsxr1216 11-04-2010 06:07 PM

stock carb and intake on it.

i realize light colors mean typically mean lean, but why would only 2 cylinders look like that? the plugs looked good as shown below relative to the exhaust cylinder port they came out of. the plugs dont seem to exhibit the same really lean condition the manifolds reflect, those 2 cylinders look slightly lighter but still show a nice tan on the plug.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3289.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3288.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3287.jpg

i put 10-12 hours on it this season and the oil level never dropped a touch, and its never blown a puff of oil on startup which is typical of bad valve seals isnt it?

if your basing the bad valve seal theory on the valves that looks wet i'm pretty sure thats from when i fogged the motor through the carb when i winterized it a few weeks ago, the stick might have been aimed right at those cylinders before i killed the motor? who knows, regardless its getting new valve springs and seals when i replace the springs so i guess it doesnt matter whether they are leaking or not!:ernaehrung004:

gsxr1216 11-05-2010 04:25 PM

so anybody got any idea why only a few cylinders look lean in the manifold????:confused:

GPM 11-05-2010 04:58 PM

Are you sure it's just a few cylinders that are lean or did you add color to some when you fogged the motor. A vacuum leak at the port can cause a lean cylinder.

gsxr1216 11-05-2010 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3247299)
Are you sure it's just a few cylinders that are lean or did you add color to some when you fogged the motor. A vacuum leak at the port can cause a lean cylinder.

well the part i find strange is the spark plugs and ports in the cyl head dont seem to exhibit the drastic "lean" look that the manifolds do on those specific cylinders? i certainly agree a intake manifold leak would cause a lean cylinder, but my confusion is the manifolds looks to be telling me a different story than the plugs and cylinder ports do?:eek:

ezstriper 11-06-2010 09:35 AM

could be just the way it was run just before you pulled it apart, just started it up for a couple mins ??? full run session ?? etc....what temp when shut down ?

racinfever 11-06-2010 10:41 PM

Wrong spark plugs,

Griff 11-07-2010 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by racinfever (Post 3248042)
Wrong spark plugs,

They do have quite an extended tip. I don't think it would cause the variances though. What plugs are they????

Carbed engines will often run a little leaner in some cylinders, especially in the front and rear cylinders.

racinfever 11-07-2010 10:30 AM

Exstened tip spark plug advances timing

gsxr1216 11-07-2010 10:35 AM

champion RV15YC4 plugs in it, i have never changed the plugs in it, they were in it when i bought the boat. not sure why they went to this plug???

gsxr1216 11-07-2010 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by racinfever (Post 3248246)
Exstened tip spark plug advances timing

??? hows that possible?

my understanding was extended tips are to try to get more into the center of the chamber, and they also tend to foul less?

Rockfish71 11-07-2010 12:53 PM

What carb and intake is on it and was there a carb adapter to go from a weber holley square bore bolt pattern to the stock gm spread bore if so that is your lean problem it is a
sh!tty set that mercruiser will do to make the cheapest set up to make it run. they did that with all the 330's

gsxr1216 11-07-2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Rockfish71 (Post 3248342)
What carb and intake is on it and was there a carb adapter to go from a weber holley square bore bolt pattern to the stock gm spread bore if so that is your lean problem it is a
sh!tty set that mercruiser will do to make the cheapest set up to make it run. they did that with all the 330's

stock carb and manifold on it.

gsxr1216 11-07-2010 04:27 PM

well heads are off, cylinders 1 and 8 are the leanest cylinders judging by the combustion chamber. i'm surprised how clean the chambers are for a 500 hour motor, actually everything on this motor is clean clean clean inside. bores look mint, still see nice cross hatching in them/ luckily no surprises have been found!:ernaehrung004:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/IMG_3336.jpg

xrraated 12-13-2010 12:24 PM


gibson exhausts

anyone know about magnaflow, or kooks exhaust systems I was thinking of those?

racinfever 12-13-2010 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by gsxr1216 (Post 3248268)
??? hows that possible?

my understanding was extended tips are to try to get more into the center of the chamber, and they also tend to foul less?

Extended tip spark plugs bring spark event closer to piston, similar to timing advance.

racinfever 12-13-2010 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by gsxr1216 (Post 3248268)
??? hows that possible?

my understanding was extended tips are to try to get more into the center of the chamber, and they also tend to foul less?

Extended tip spark plugs bring spark event closer to piston, similar to timing advance.

JeremyAnderson 12-13-2010 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by racinfever (Post 3273816)
Extended tip spark plugs bring spark event closer to piston, similar to timing advance.

+1 I have seen similar effect on circle track engines where the plug seat was machined deeper to more the plug closer to center. It does effectively "advance" the timing.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijak.
The light color holes do look a bit leaner, but the heads and ports look overall pretty good! By any chance you didn't happen to run a tank of race gas did you? Leaded fuel will give a white/grey color to exhuast when tuned properly.


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