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ridefast77 11-18-2010 09:52 AM

Need to know the diff/??
 
Need to know the diff/ from gen 5 to 6 454 and gen 5 and 6 502 and the diff/ between tall deck and short deck blocks. And is the merc. 525 a tall or short deck block ?? thanks

Fast Shafts 11-18-2010 10:32 AM

I'll take a stab at this:
The 454 is a 4.25 bore, the 502 is a 4.5 bore
The tall deck blocks allow for more stroke, = more torque
The 525 is a 502 reg deck block
Someone else may be able to explain Gen 5 and 6?
The casting numbers and the block can be looked up on line for ID.

FogduckerIII 11-18-2010 10:46 AM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/d...-5-vs-6-a.html

jeffswav 11-18-2010 11:11 AM

Gen V blocks have a stamped steel timing chain cover with 10 bolts. From the factory have a flat tappet camshaft, peanut port heads. The mag engines have the rec port heads.
Gen VI blocks have a composit timing cover with 6 bolts. They have a roller cam, with vortec large oval heads on the 454. The Mag engines have the rec port heads.
All of the Merc engines are standard deck height.
Some of the old Merc Racing engines were tall decks. Like was said you can stroke it up to 4.375" with a tall deck. With a standard deck you can only go up to 4.25" stroke if you use offset pistons.

ridefast77 11-18-2010 11:42 AM

now can i use a 525 intake and heads on a tall deck block, and will a 502 crank and rods work in a 454 block ,i know the pistons will not because the bore is to big.

Fast Shafts 11-18-2010 11:58 AM

A standard deck intake will not work on a tall deck. The crank should work.

Young Performance 11-18-2010 12:02 PM

Not to be picky:drink:, but a tall deck (10.2") can accept up to a 4.750" stroke. I don't like going over 4.5" stroke since you end up with a very short rod and steep rod angle.
The Gen VI 502 has a stock bore of 4.468"
Eddie

Young Performance 11-18-2010 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by ridefast77 (Post 3255890)
now can i use a 525 intake and heads on a tall deck block, and will a 502 crank and rods work in a 454 block ,i know the pistons will not because the bore is to big.

The heads will work fine. As will the crank and rods. They are the same from the 454 to the 502. You are right that the pistons will not work. The only way to make the intake work is to use spacers. There are a few companies that make spacers to put a low deck intake on a tall deck. You will have to run 2 sets of intake gaskets, one on each side of the spacers.
Eddie

ridefast77 11-18-2010 12:15 PM

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thanks evey one, any of you guys know where a 502 standerd bare block is laying around so one would what to get rid of i have every thing i need but the block??

Griff 11-18-2010 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by ridefast77 (Post 3255890)
now can i use a 525 intake and heads on a tall deck block, and will a 502 crank and rods work in a 454 block ,i know the pistons will not because the bore is to big.

If you use the 525EFI heads, then you will have to use 525EFI exhaust. They are a modified Edelbrock head with a different exhaust bolt mount pattern.

ridefast77 11-18-2010 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 3255939)
If you use the 525EFI heads, then you will have to use 525EFI exhaust. They are a modified Edelbrock head with a different exhaust bolt mount pattern.

i have some merlin world product heads im going to use.

jeffswav 11-18-2010 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 3255914)
Not to be picky:drink:, but a tall deck (10.2") can accept up to a 4.750" stroke. I don't like going over 4.5" stroke since you end up with a very short rod and steep rod angle.
The Gen VI 502 has a stock bore of 4.468"
Eddie

Wow, I did not know you could use a 4.75" stroke. On a tall deck, when you use a 4.5" stroke do you use the offset pistons with standard rod length? Just curious..

Young Performance 11-18-2010 08:59 PM

With a 4.5" stroke, you can either use a 6.7 rod and a 1.25 compression height piston or you can use a 6.635 rod and a 1.27 piston. If you use a 4.625 or 4.75 stroke crank, you have to use a 6.535 rod.
You can get pistons with just about any comp. height that you can dream of.
Eddie


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