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Originally Posted by 007joe
(Post 3302592)
Anybody have experience with who reflashes the computer? I know whipple does it but thought there were other companies? any experience with whipple? Or the other guys?
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Dustin charges $1000 right ?? Is that each time or what?
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Originally Posted by imagecat
(Post 3303866)
Dustin charges $1000 right ?? Is that each time or what?
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so I take from this; if you have accepted that spending several thousand dollars; on exaust alone; will give you several mph gain; you are misinformed; foolish; and setting youself up for poor results.
I see it as a combination of upgrades and adjustments of parts, often hinging on an exaust upgrade, to maximize speed. type of boat, setup, and conditions, not withstanding. |
Originally Posted by toolsinbox
(Post 3304104)
so I take from this; if you have accepted that spending several thousand dollars; on exaust alone; will give you several mph gain; you are misinformed; foolish; and setting youself up for poor results.
I see it as a combination of upgrades and adjustments of parts, often hinging on an exaust upgrade, to maximize speed. type of boat, setup, and conditions, not withstanding. spot on. But again, alot depends on the size of the boat. |
Originally Posted by Rage
(Post 3304024)
It was $800 back in 2006 for my first custom recal. Half of that went to Mercury for the ECU unlock code. After that ~$150 - $200 each time depending what you needed to be done. But for custom recals you have to supply the AFR and MAP vs rpm data from idle to WOT to Dustin so he knows what needs adjustment. These must be accurate or wrong adjustments may be made. The AFR vs rpm would come from instrument like Innovate LM-1 with an rpm converter. The MAP vs rpm would come from a Diacom recording. These two data streams would need to be combined and normalized to the same rpm. Then there is the issue as to if the AFR you are supplying is of a single cylinder of the eight available, one manifold collector combining all four cylinders from that bank or both banks or all eight individual cylinders. You would need to discuss this with Dustin Whipple. Optimum (and quickest) would be to provide the engine to Dustin to calibrate on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by toolsinbox
(Post 3304104)
so I take from this; if you have accepted that spending several thousand dollars; on exaust alone; will give you several mph gain; you are misinformed; foolish; and setting youself up for poor results.
I see it as a combination of upgrades and adjustments of parts, often hinging on an exaust upgrade, to maximize speed. type of boat, setup, and conditions, not withstanding. As far as adding exhaust alone to give you xtra MPH, well, that depends. If you're running a 496 HO and your spinning a prop at 4700 rpm, we have some room to spin that prop up. Add the exhaust, now you'll be turning that same prop @ 4900-5000 rpm equalling more speed. So in that case, you would pick up speed from just an exhaust install. That statement however cannot be made for all exhaust systems as there are many that are no better than stock exhaust and will not yield extra performance. And that's not to say that another prop couldn't work even better. If you're running 5000 rpm with the stock engine, adding exhaust is only going to park you on the rev limiter, you need more bite. So in that case, you would need to prop up 1 pitch so you can get back in the 5000 rpm range. The difference is now your slinging a bigger blade at that RPM equaling more speed. |
Originally Posted by imagecat
(Post 3304232)
Okay you don't think it would be better in the long run to switch ECM's to something that you can adjust yourself. I know this isn't cheaper but I'm hands on like you obviously are. It would just bother me that I have to send my ecm off if I switch anything. Mefi computers are hard to come by. I know you have considered this:)
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When to Re-calibrate an ECM??
We recalibrate PCM555's for the 496 all the time and no we don't pay Mercury for any unlock code as Dustin -USED TO DO? We have our own software and we keep all the Guardian turned on a working after re-programming. We do this programming for Mag to HO upgrades and various Raylar kit packages and engine we specially build. We won't re-tune an ECM for a stock engine without modifications for supposed hidden power!
Its Raylar's experience that unless you are upgrading a stock 496-375HP Mag to a 425HP HO or such no reprogramming is really going to make a big difference in a stock 496 . If you bump in a lot of extra timing you will put the cast pistons closer to the edge of detonation and possible damage. We also don't think its wise to up the rpm limit on the HO of 5150rpm on a stock head and valve spring engine as the springs are a bit lite in poundage and a little valve float will also possibly make a BASKET engine assembly! I am always surprised how many boaters think and equate ECM retuning to extra power like some see in emissions engines in today's vehicles. Most marine OEM engines carry a tune in the ECM that allows the engine to make good reliable power, they are not de-tuned and lazy like a lot of emissions engines in vehicles. You can push the timing limit and fueling on stock marine engine and sometimes gain 15-30HP but its not significant and the risk to the engine is not really a smart long term move. ECM retuning is always needed and necessary when moderate to major engine changes are made with cams, heads,compression, cubic inches, etc. Again' there ain't no cheap horsepower in most marine engines, if you find a lot cheap, let me know, I would like to sell It! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
hi ray
been following this thread just purchased a daytona with a 496 with your 525 package and the dana exhaust on it, did the ecm get flashed or just the fuel pressure get raised ? and what are the benefits of flashing the ecm with your package? how can we tell if it was flashed? thanks |
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