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theadamv1 01-12-2011 07:57 AM

Crossovers ?
 
What is the advantage/disadvantage of running crossovers verses a circulation pump. I wanted to clean up my engine's a little and crossovers look so much cleaner than the pumps do.

MILD THUNDER 01-12-2011 09:07 AM

Theres a lot of debating on this subject. Some feel that crossovers lead to high water pressure, issues when running T-Stats, running to cold, etc.

My opinion, is properly rigged, crossovers work fine, and look much cleaner.

Water PSI relief valves are a good idea in any system. If you need to run thermostats, you need a crossover with a bypass.

jeffswav 01-12-2011 09:26 AM

I use a crossover with bypass hose and thermostat. You will need to drill a couple of small holes in the thermostat to relieve the steam.

CigDaze 01-12-2011 09:53 AM

Cross-overs are great. They do certainly clean up the front of the engine, you lose the weight of circ pump, and some people believe they free up a negligible amount of horsepower.

Done right, you should have no issues. I recommend one with a by-pass, a drilled-thermostat to allow full-time water flow through the block even when cold, and a pressure-relief valve to prevent any over pressure problems.

1BIGJIM 01-12-2011 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by CigDaze (Post 3295261)
Done right, you should have no issues. I recommend one with a by-pass, a drilled-thermostat to allow full-time water flow through the block even when cold, and a pressure-relief valve to prevent any over pressure problems.

You should have a water pressure gauge also.

Its not cheap and in my opion not worth it. The boat I have now has all the above on it. It came with water pressure issues and I had to install the relief valves and water dumps.
Price a Merc relief valve and that will probably determine if you want to do this or not.:drink:

totto 01-13-2011 03:03 PM

Yes, you save some weight, gain a few hp and get a clean front. But is it worth it? Probably not. Just bought a boat running crossovers without thermostats. Engines are running to cold. Now installing 140 thermostats, drilled, and a 3/4" bypass between crossover and tstathousing.

I might also use a pressure relief valve, this because people says so. But since the relief valve doesn't allow greater flow (area) than the bypass, I don't really understand the reason. I mean - i dont think the exhaust makes that much resistance. Or am I wrong?

1BIGJIM 01-13-2011 03:16 PM

Put a water pressure gauge on it. You will be surprised.

Mine would peg 40lbs at 30MPH until I put relief valves on.

ezstriper 01-13-2011 03:19 PM

Ok, why would not having a second pump raise water pressure ?? mine work fine..with by-pass and 140 therm and a few small holes..

totto 01-13-2011 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by 1BIGJIM (Post 3296605)
Put a water pressure gauge on it. You will be surprised.

Mine would peg 40lbs at 30MPH until I put relief valves on.

Hmm.. I have seen tstathousings with just 1/2" bypass. Maybe thats too small?

MILD THUNDER 01-13-2011 04:16 PM

I think the circulating pump might help regulate in psi in the block. You can have high water psi due to the speed of the boat, hull pickup design, etc. Or you can have high water psi from a restricted exhaust water flow, etc. Some boats have relief valves in the sea strainers, to help protect from psi spikes when re-entering the water. The high psi from this can POP hoses off the strainer, pickup, etc.

Most scenarios though is too high of psi in the block, which can blow headgaskets and or intake gaskets.

My thoughts on a lot of high water psi complaints, is from exhaust that restricts water flow. The merc sea pump design puts out A LOT of water. The more you restrict the flow, the more psi is going to build up. My water psi is about 20 psi wot. My exhaust water dumps are 3/4". I bet if I reduced the dumps to say 3/8", it would drastically increase water psi in my block.

bcfountain 01-13-2011 06:53 PM

i never used a relief valve on my set up untill i changed drives.the one on there now has a low water pick-up in the noise cone of the drive.the pressure more than doubled.like said,put a gage on it,you will be suprised.

totto 01-14-2011 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3296670)
I think the circulating pump might help regulate in psi in the block. You can have high water psi due to the speed of the boat, hull pickup design, etc. Or you can have high water psi from a restricted exhaust water flow, etc. Some boats have relief valves in the sea strainers, to help protect from psi spikes when re-entering the water. The high psi from this can POP hoses off the strainer, pickup, etc.

Most scenarios though is too high of psi in the block, which can blow headgaskets and or intake gaskets.

My thoughts on a lot of high water psi complaints, is from exhaust that restricts water flow. The merc sea pump design puts out A LOT of water. The more you restrict the flow, the more psi is going to build up. My water psi is about 20 psi wot. My exhaust water dumps are 3/4". I bet if I reduced the dumps to say 3/8", it would drastically increase water psi in my block.

Ok. Then I might have high psi already even though I dont use any thermostats. I mean if the bottleneck is the exhaust...

Anyway, I will install relief valves to be safe. Thanks for all info guys!

theadamv1 01-14-2011 09:04 PM

thanks for all the good insite guys... After reading all that and doing some shopping I thing i am gonna stock with the circulation pump set up that i have...:poopoo:


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