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gt5-33 01-21-2011 11:44 AM

Engine Oil
 
Looking for some feedback concerning what oil to use in a 1988 292SR1 with 800+ hours. Engines are 454/330's. Just purchased and previous owner use Mercriuser 15-40 regular oil. Any comments and/or suggestions on brands or type of oil woud be appreciated. Thanks

ThisIsLivin 01-21-2011 01:05 PM

You need to search the forums, there has to be two or three current forums discussing the same thing.

blue thunder 01-21-2011 02:50 PM

I would (and do) run shell rotella 15-40w and add some stp oil treatment or an equal additive with high zddp content. The flat lifter cams absolutely must have the heavy metals that todays modern oil no long contain. The advent of emissions standards and roller cams made oil companies remove these components of the lube, but diesel oils still have them. Although they are reducing them there too. The important part is adding the zddp (zinc and phos) to what ever oil you run.

07DominatorSS 01-21-2011 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by blue thunder (Post 3303675)
I would (and do) run shell rotella 15-40w and add some stp oil treatment or an equal additive with high zddp content. The flat lifter cams absolutely must have the heavy metals that todays modern oil no long contain. The advent of emissions standards and roller cams made oil companies remove these components of the lube, but diesel oils still have them. Although they are reducing them there too. The important part is adding the zddp (zinc and phos) to what ever oil you run.

You shouldn't add anything to an oil. If it was supposed to be in there, it would be already! Also, what happens if you add to much of that so called Zinc additive? Ever hear of oil foaming? Thats exactly what will happen and then you lose all protection! Find yourself an oil, yes a diesel oil has a lot of Zinc and Phosphorus still in it, or a racing oil and use that. Would you add an extra egg to a cake recipe because you thought it would be better? Oil manufacturers spend multi millions of dollars on their "recipes", and adding outside agents can mess those "recipes" up!

jeffswav 01-21-2011 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by 07DominatorSS (Post 3303751)
You shouldn't add anything to an oil. If it was supposed to be in there, it would be already! Also, what happens if you add to much of that so called Zinc additive? Ever hear of oil foaming? Thats exactly what will happen and then you lose all protection! Find yourself an oil, yes a diesel oil has a lot of Zinc and Phosphorus still in it, or a racing oil and use that. Would you add an extra egg to a cake recipe because you thought it would be better? Oil manufacturers spend multi millions of dollars on their "recipes", and adding outside agents can mess those "recipes" up!

Only problem with that theory is most of the oil manufactures were forced by the government to remove the additives. Since all of the new cars use roller cams they don't care about all the older engines anymore. I have switched mine over to roller but there are a lot of flat tappet cams out there. I have been running the Amsoil 15-40 marine/diesel oil and seems to be working well.

Haley'sComet 01-21-2011 05:45 PM

What about using a synthetic oil like Mobil 1?

I read in another post that Griff uses Mobil 1 in his motors...

blue thunder 01-21-2011 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by 07DominatorSS (Post 3303751)
You shouldn't add anything to an oil. If it was supposed to be in there, it would be already! Also, what happens if you add to much of that so called Zinc additive? Ever hear of oil foaming? Thats exactly what will happen and then you lose all protection! Find yourself an oil, yes a diesel oil has a lot of Zinc and Phosphorus still in it, or a racing oil and use that. Would you add an extra egg to a cake recipe because you thought it would be better? Oil manufacturers spend multi millions of dollars on their "recipes", and adding outside agents can mess those "recipes" up!

How many engines have you personally built, ran under extreme condition, then dissassembled. If it is more that I, I concede. Aside from that, why do you think zddp additive exist? You clearly have no clue regarding flat tappet 1988 cams and what it takes to make them live. :grinser010:

thirdchildhood 01-21-2011 07:42 PM

Hurray for oil threads :)!

blue thunder 01-21-2011 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Haley'sComet (Post 3303833)
What about using a synthetic oil like Mobil 1?

I read in another post that Griff uses Mobil 1 in his motors...

Synthetics are good if you run higher oil temps than about 230f and run roller. But if you have a 1988 flat tappet cam, add the zddp for sure or you will regret it.

US1 Fountain 01-21-2011 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by gt5-33 (Post 3303522)
.... what oil to use in a 1988.... with 800+ hours. Engines are 454/330's..... previous owner use Mercriuser 15-40 regular oil.

Right there's your answer. :)

MikeyFIN 01-22-2011 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by blue thunder (Post 3303932)
Synthetics are good if you run higher oil temps than about 230f and run roller. But if you have a 1988 flat tappet cam, add the zddp for sure or you will regret it.

Diesels have rollers too nowadays and still use oils that has more zinc in them.
Now why on earth would one want to go with higher oil temps than 230...so one can change oil constantly as the additives vapors away because of the excess heat cycles?

I´m so anal personally regarding oil temps that even as of today while pulling full loads with a Big Rig I have my oil temps on display and if the temps start to rise over 220 I start to ease up on the motor.
But this is just me...

blue thunder 01-22-2011 09:41 AM

I agree on the oil temps, but some engines if built a little tight will run higher oil temps. Or if the cooler can't handle the load. Or if the tune is off (lean or timing). There are lots of thread on here about high oil temp problems. For me I shoot for oil temps to never go over about 200f no matter how hard or long the engine is run. That's what allows me to run dino oil. I choose rotella because I have had good luck with it. The merc would be my second choice based on cost. When I was running flat tappet cams and mobile 1 15-40 I wiped cam lobes twice.

Beak Boater 01-22-2011 10:22 AM

You might consider running PB Blaster or WD-40...something that might make it easier to take it apart. With 800 hrs, its going to have to come apart very soon:drink:


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