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2Slow4me 04-24-2011 01:59 PM

GIL or CMI Headers for 500HP??
 
I'm buying a boat with a GIL headers on the 500HP (is that stock??)


And my boat has CMI, so can swap them.

Not sure if there is any point.

Thanks in advance for the input.

endeavour32 04-24-2011 04:58 PM

Keep the CMI and sell the Gil!!!

Raylar 04-24-2011 06:44 PM

Manifold is a mnaifold and long tube header is a header
 
Gil manifolds are manifolds with pipe risers are NOT headers, just good performance manifolds.
Which will help more will depend on which CMI header you have. If the CMI headers are of the E-top type you will not see to much difference between the two, maybe 10HP max. If the CMI's are long tube headers like Sporttube type, then this type of header can probably produce 20-25 HP more than the Gil manifold exhaust and a reasonable amount of additional torque.
Many performance boaters don't understand the difference between aftermarket exhaust manifolds or E-Top headers (with short runner passages 4-10 inch) and single pipe risers versus a true long tube header with 24-28 inch runners and a collector.
On a normally aspirated performance engines there is a definite power difference between the two in use and it is even more significant in higher power engines with deeper breathing heads, cams and intakes, where the scavenging affect of a longer tube header creates more efficiency and produces more power and torque at most rpms.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

2Slow4me 04-25-2011 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 3385542)
Gil manifolds are manifolds with pipe risers are NOT headers, just good performance manifolds.
Which will help more will depend on which CMI header you have. If the CMI headers are of the E-top type you will not see to much difference between the two, maybe 10HP max. If the CMI's are long tube headers like Sporttube type, then this type of header can probably produce 20-25 HP more than the Gil manifold exhaust and a reasonable amount of additional torque.
Many performance boaters don't understand the difference between aftermarket exhaust manifolds or E-Top headers (with short runner passages 4-10 inch) and single pipe risers versus a true long tube header with 24-28 inch runners and a collector.
On a normally aspirated performance engines there is a definite power difference between the two in use and it is even more significant in higher power engines with deeper breathing heads, cams and intakes, where the scavenging affect of a longer tube header creates more efficiency and produces more power and torque at most rpms.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Thanks for explanation, have a much better understanding of the difference's.

Greatly appreciated!

GTOFFSHORE 04-26-2011 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by 2Slow4me (Post 3387111)
Thanks for explanation, have a much better understanding of the difference's.

Greatly appreciated!

where do you boat? Salt water GIL just keep an eye on reversion. Freshwater I would use CMI unless you planning on raising the hp a bunch.

4bus 04-26-2011 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 3385542)
Gil manifolds are manifolds with pipe risers are NOT headers, just good performance manifolds.
Which will help more will depend on which CMI header you have. If the CMI headers are of the E-top type you will not see to much difference between the two, maybe 10HP max. If the CMI's are long tube headers like Sporttube type, then this type of header can probably produce 20-25 HP more than the Gil manifold exhaust and a reasonable amount of additional torque.
Many performance boaters don't understand the difference between aftermarket exhaust manifolds or E-Top headers (with short runner passages 4-10 inch) and single pipe risers versus a true long tube header with 24-28 inch runners and a collector.
On a normally aspirated performance engines there is a definite power difference between the two in use and it is even more significant in higher power engines with deeper breathing heads, cams and intakes, where the scavenging affect of a longer tube header creates more efficiency and produces more power and torque at most rpms.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Don't forget the sound difference :grinser010: The raspyness added to the exhaust note is killer from a header

For me I would keep the CMI's just for the sound. There is a guy on our lake with CMI's on a 454MPI....everyone thinks he has big power

endeavour32 04-26-2011 08:08 AM

Gil's have more of an issue with reversion than does the CMI. Even if your using e-tops they will build a fair amount more torque than the Gil's and like Ray said a bit more HP. I posted several charts on here that compare most of the major manifolds/headers. Here is the link:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...no-charts.html


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