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rgrgoog 04-29-2011 08:17 PM

Engine ticking
 
Well, I have a distinctive ticking noise (lifter type noise)coming from the right side of my starboard engine. The engine is a 502 mag with 350 hours. As soon as I noticed/heard the ticking I shut the engine down and brought the boat back and trailered it. My questions are:

1- What do you think I need to have done/what could be wrong (top end job or just valves/lifters looked at)?

I was planning on refreshing the engines this winter.

2- What would the worst case scenario be and how much am I looking at to get it fixed (max dollar amount)?

Thanx

Rgrgoog

Budman II 04-29-2011 09:38 PM

No way to know until you get into it. Could be collapsed lifter, bent pushrod, broken valvespring, etc. Sometimes it is just a piece of dirt or varnish that gets into a lifter and makes it stick. Only way to know for sure is to pull the valve cover.

Best case scenario would be what I described, which could be as little as a bottle of oil supplement followed by an oil change if you are extremely lucky. Expect a valve job to run $500 - $1500, depending on what needs to be done and how much of the work you do yourself. Worst case scenario would be a broken or tuliped valve, which could do major damage. This would be a total rebuild, which could easily head north of $5000. I have seen bearings pounded from detonation spreading out and catching a crank throw and making a ticking sound similar to a lifter noise, but that was a supercharged application.

Best bet is to pull valve cover and isolate the noise, followed by leakdown test. Get going - the season is upon us.

Budman II 04-29-2011 09:40 PM

Just saw that you have superchargers. Prepare for that worst case scenario, especially if the exhaust valves are not inconel. Hope I'm wrong!

Boat1 04-30-2011 08:50 AM

If the engine still has the original cam and valve train it has a flat tappet cam and non-adjustable lifters. Look for a roccker arm that is loose when the cam is on it's base circle. You might have lost a cam lobe, could be collapsed lifter, could be alot of things. Definately check it out before it does more damage.

Panther 04-30-2011 09:26 AM

Do you have headers? Have you made sure it's not an exhaust leak? Call me crazy but I've seen people mistake a valvetrain noice for an exhaust leak.

If the noise is coming from the left or right side it may not be a lifter. Most lifter taps you can hear in the center. Get a long screwdriver or something metal and stick it to the valve cover and the other end on your ear. Move it around until you locate the sound.

Boat1 04-30-2011 10:05 AM

Great suggestion. People do mistake exhaust leaks for lifter noise.

rgrgoog 04-30-2011 10:12 AM

Interesting on the exhaust leak. I have the original cast iron manifolds. The sound was definietely coming from the right side of the starboard engine. Only thing that lead me to something like a valve or lifter was that I had some slight exhaust smoke (just a tiny bit) coming from the far right exhaust. The ticking does speed up with the rpms. I shut it down as soon as I noticed it so hopefully not much damage has been done and this will be a small fix vs. a large project.

I only run 3-5 lbs of boost on the superchargers so I hope it is not the tuliped valve situation.

The engine was running fine, I opened up the engine cover and noticed the tapping. That is when I basically shut it down.

rgrgoog 05-17-2011 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Boat1 (Post 3390793)
Great suggestion. People do mistake exhaust leaks for lifter noise.

Turned out my knocking/ticking was a bad exhaust manifold gasket.

dogturd21 05-17-2011 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by rgrgoog (Post 3405650)
Turned out my knocking/ticking was a bad exhaust manifold gasket.

Nice, you got lucky !! could have been a lot wor$e.

tinman565 05-17-2011 05:03 PM

I'm surprised to hear you have "stock cast exhaust manifolds" with blowers. :eekdrop:

rgrgoog 05-17-2011 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by tinman565 (Post 3405668)
I'm surprised to hear you have "stock cast exhaust manifolds" with blowers. :eekdrop:

I am running low boost (3-5 PSI max right now). I am looking to get rid of them this winter ( I just started a thread asking for suggestions on what to buy).

Yeah I got lucky, I was happy to hear it was only a few hundred vs. a few thousand dollar fix. Made my Day. I will be on the water this weekend again.


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