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cig20 12-05-2011 07:00 PM

When To Rebuild
 
Restoring 1979 Donzi It Has A 454 420hp Motor With Under 450 Hrs Of Fresh Water Use Runs Like A Top Comp Is Good No Smoking Or Blow By What Is The Life Before It Needs To Be Rebuildt

riverboater 12-05-2011 07:21 PM

I had 454 they run forever

45Tripps 12-05-2011 07:23 PM

I know guy that had over 950 hours on his pair and they looked like new when he took them out, only because he thought it was time for a rebuild.

Couldnt beleive how good they looked and what the overall great condition they still were in, but he took great care of them too during their life.

Downtown42 12-05-2011 07:48 PM

800-1200 hrs

cig20 12-05-2011 08:03 PM

What Would Need To Be Done To Motor To Run Blower

BenPerfected 12-05-2011 08:11 PM

What kind of drive are you running? Can it handle the torque?

cig20 12-05-2011 08:15 PM

Trs

f_inscreenname 12-05-2011 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by cig20 (Post 3565057)
Restoring 1979 Donzi It Has A 454 420hp Motor With Under 450 Hrs Of Fresh Water Use Runs Like A Top Comp Is Good No Smoking Or Blow By What Is The Life Before It Needs To Be Rebuildt

For me it's usually when it goes rattle, rattle, bang, bang. :eek:

34Mach1 12-06-2011 03:26 AM

If properly maintained, those motors in their current state will last at least 1000 hours. I supercharged a set of similar motors on my last boat at 450 hours. I sold the boat with 590hours and it was still running strong. I ran B&M 250 blowers with 3-4 pounds of boost. The larger blower with low boost allowed the engines to live as this combination limited intake heat, which ultimatly kills engines by detonation. I recommend the B&M 250, 671 or 871 blower pushing 3 pounds of boost for these engines.

cig20 12-06-2011 07:26 AM

do i need to change anything in motor to run a blower
internals?
what would be the advantage and disadvantages how much more hp will i see
boat currently runs in the high 60s

Pismo10 12-06-2011 08:21 AM

I had a 305 small block with 3000 hours on it without a rebuild. Still ran great when I sold it.

So to answer your question, Longer than you think.

34Mach1 12-06-2011 11:40 AM

If you run a larger blower like I suggested with low boost, you can leave the internals alone. Your motor is already set up nicely with forged pistons, etc,. You'll see about 100 to 120 HP gain, which translates to approx 10 MPH or high 70's boat speed. The advantages are obviously greater speed, takeoff torque, and of course you'll peg the "cool factor" meter! Most of the time, the engines suffer no effect from the superchagers because they are not making boost at cruise speeds. The disadvantges are reduced engine life, increased fuel consumption, frequently fouled spark plugs, and sometimes idle problems. Although, with 3 pounds of boost this shouldn't be an issue. I absolutely love superchargers and would not run a performance boat without them. There is no other upgrade that can come remotely close to a blower in terms of horsepower gain, PERIOD... I'm on my third blower motor boat, so I have some experience with these... Bob

Knot 4 Me 12-06-2011 12:17 PM

Might consider head gaskets due to the age of the motor.

cig20 12-06-2011 12:30 PM

would a wieland 177 blower anygood not shure i spelled it right

BenPerfected 12-06-2011 04:08 PM

Cig20,
You might consider leaving the stock 420's and raising the X and using a 4-blade Bravo 1 prop. I am assuming this is a 20' Donzi. If so, both the blower or a raised X would likely require mod's to the hatch/hatches. You would also be stretching the limits of the TRS past 500-600 HP. I hear that the TRS parts are also getting pretty scarce.
Ben

KAAMA 12-06-2011 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by cig20 (Post 3565319)
do i need to change anything in motor to run a blower
internals?
what would be the advantage and disadvantages how much more hp will i see
boat currently runs in the high 60s

A blower would be a nice easy way to add power to the Merc 420, but it's the TRS drive that would be the weak link. The Merc 420 has 4-bolt main saddles and an all forged rotating assembly which makes it strong and reliable.

A small, mild blower with LOW BOOST may be safe for your application, but when you notice the power difference from what you had before, you may become a little too confindent one day and BOOM...there goes your TRS drive. Especially, while coming out of the hole too strong or the fatigue on the TRS from the added torque that is inherit of a blower will eventually sneak up on you one day when you least expect it.

cig20 12-06-2011 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 3565694)
Cig20,
You might consider leaving the stock 420's and raising the X and using a 4-blade Bravo 1 prop. I am assuming this is a 20' Donzi. If so, both the blower or a raised X would likely require mod's to the hatch/hatches. You would also be stretching the limits of the TRS past 500-600 HP. I hear that the TRS parts are also getting pretty scarce.
Ben

it is a 22

34Mach1 12-06-2011 09:58 PM

I would go for it. What's the worse that can happen? You blow an engine or outdrive, so what? Go online and buy another one and be back on the water by the weekend! The chances of you blowing two of these in a season is quite remote. To answer your earlier question, I would shy away from the 177 blower as it's too small and will produce too much intake heat.

cig20 12-06-2011 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by 34Mach1 (Post 3565942)
I would go for it. What's the worse that can happen? You blow an engine or outdrive, so what? Go online and buy another one and be back on the water by the weekend! The chances of you blowing two of these in a season is quite remote. To answer your earlier question, I would shy away from the 177 blower as it's too small and will produce too much intake heat.

so is a bm250 the way to go or a ???
i have a extra drive


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