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CC230 02-07-2012 06:53 PM

350 or 383,,, the question.
 
I have been reading up on engine builds since I have to pull the stock 260hp Merc out of my '87 CC 230 Scorpion.
The engine is an '86, so it's a 1 pc rear main with perimeter bolt valve cover old style heads.
We do a lot of river running, very rarely do we do wide open running. The boat ran 53 mph once, and would average 40 WOT. The engine had a tuliped valve but ran fine at lower cruising speeds, so this past year I pulled the heads to find an exhaust manifold leaked in 2 cylinders.
The question I have that i couldn't really find is, if the main thing we do is cruising, would a stout 350 put me @ 55-58 mph? A local machine shop that builds a lot of short track & marine engines suggested a 350 over a 383 for longevity.
I don't have any experience with a 383, haven't done a small block in over 20 years, and never built a marine engine, so any honest input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
Jody

publius 02-07-2012 07:19 PM

I would go with the 350 for your purposes. Should work well.

dereknkathy 02-07-2012 07:34 PM

i would not waste energy on a 15 year old 350 boat motor. get a core that spent it's life with antifreeze instead of brackish raw water in it. a whole lot of your current engine has dissolved and gone out the exhaust with cooling water. unless this is a closed cooling system boat. and i have never seen a 23 scorpion with a heat exchanger. 350 blocks are cheap. although there weren't many 1 piece blocks with mech fuel pump mounts. they were mostly in the TBI-TPI era. you will need a clutch flywheel, coupler and oil pan to go to a 2-piece block. cheap and easy to find.

GPM 02-07-2012 07:40 PM

Motors built the same way, the 383 will do everything the 350 will do and then some, with less RPM.

befu 02-07-2012 09:34 PM

check block #'s
 
look at your casting number on your block to see what you have. I have an 86 - 272 formula and just pulled two 350's out of it that had the older two piece main seal on them.

I agree on find a new engine, one with a roller cam. Lots of truck engines out there that are nice. Get one with the vortec heads also.

KEVLARKAT32 02-07-2012 09:47 PM

What year truck is the one to look for ? Will it have a fuel pump pad ? I ask because I have a really nice 1982 21 Formula as a beater that has a 260 , I want it to run 65

sprink58 02-07-2012 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by KEVLARKAT32 (Post 3612241)
What year truck is the one to look for ? Will it have a fuel pump pad ? I ask because I have a really nice 1982 21 Formula as a beater that has a 260 , I want it to run 65

I am not 100% certain but I think the last mechanical pump 350's were 2000 models.

Anything '86 and later will have the 1: piece rear main seal and will easily accept Vortec heads/roller cam, etc.

A Vortec 350 with a ZZ4 roller cam, 650 CFM+ carb and a hot ignition will take that 21' Formula into the mid 60's with the right prop. I'm dropping 2: 355 Vortecs with Comp Marine cams in my 255 Liberator and I'm pretty sure I'll run past 65 with ease.

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A 383 is fairly easy to put together ...but a 350 is easier.

Raylar 02-07-2012 10:17 PM

Just My opinion:

Go to the Michigan Motorz website and look at the 315HP -350 carburated marine engine partial engine package 5.7-ISilver@just under $4K. You'll be way ahead on a warrantied ready to drop in an run engine package for your boat type and use.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Jeff P31 02-07-2012 10:17 PM

NO replacement for displacement !!!!!!!! If your engine builder can't make a 383 live as long as a 350 find a new engine builder.

dereknkathy 02-08-2012 05:15 AM

stroke is torque, and that is what spins props. pistons and aftermarket crank are about same price for 383 as 350. extra expense is harmonic balancer and getting a 350, or better yet 454 flywheel custom balanced for the externally balanced 383 crank. 400 small block clutch flywheels didn't exist in the 70's. there sure as hell ain't none now. i have a pair of 355's in my nova. just got it back dirt cheap. doing the interior this year so they stay for now. but i am tempted...


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