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mike tkach 02-24-2012 03:05 PM

i was going to ask mr schmidt if the cranks were modified by the builder,or if they had the oil trough,s on the past build,but at this point,well lets just say,i have given up on this mess.:party-smiley-004:

mrhorsepower1 02-24-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by yschmidt (Post 3625251)
He bought complete heads from Dart - then charged to disassemble, inspect and reassemble. Didn't get my money's worth there.

Got the information back from the bearing engineer - won't waste time with a whole lot of facts, but in his words, "you had a recipe for disaster".

yes we got you Dart Marine assemblies with inconel valves and SD intakes. Trying to work within your budget . nothing wrong here either....have used many with zero issues.

mrhorsepower1 02-24-2012 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3625421)
Its no secret at this point the Builder was Dean Gellner.

Ive been to Deans shop, he took me on a entire tour of the shop, explaining in depth what he does step by step in a engine build. He was very detailed on everything. I am no engine builder, but then again I'm not exactly a novice around engines. I was impressed with Dean's knowledge, from machining, to rigging fuel systems, oil systems, etc.

I've never heard anyone complain about Dean's work, and have had many conversations about him, and they've all ended with "Dean builds one hell of a engine". I'm sure thats why you brought your engines to him in the first place, because of his reputation. With that being said, it really doesnt mean squat in this scenerio.

Questions

Did Dean assemble the entire engine?? Im assuming yes because you say the intake gaskets were torn, and we are seeing signs of water in the oil.

What was the water PSI after installed in the boat? Ive seen intake gaskets blow/leak from too much water PSI, same for head gaskets too.


Water in oil can kill bearings, lifters, rockers, cams, in a hurry. Overly rich carburetors can wash down cylinder walls and ruin a perfectly good set of rings in a hurry. That will also lead to excessive bearing wear, cam wear, etc etc. Not enough timing can tulip valves in a hurry. Too much timing can take out pistons and headgaskets in a hurry.

Its almost looking to me like the problem was in the rigging or tuning,
Who did the rigging?? Who did the tuning??

The engine went out perfectly rigged , dyno tested tuned to perfection on BSCF numbers. They were extremely close in power. ( matched). Yankey I thought was my friend and we even both worked side by side on the project dialing all the prior junk he had into two very very nice powerplants. I am not afraid to run my stuff...All my marine power goes out with minimum of 3 hours total run time on dyno. All post maintinance is performed , oil filters cut open , inspected ect. The engines were right on when they left my shop ....I was very happy with all the results. something happened in the boat . Not due to improper machine work, assembly or anything else.

mrhorsepower1 02-24-2012 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by yschmidt (Post 3625904)
He was a Mahle engineer...and those actually were some of his exact words. You wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway. Maybe you should do your due diligence, so you could believe what you hear.

I don't give a crap what type of engineering degree he has bro.....he doesn't have over 50 yrs of building championship racing engines. he is full of ****.

mrhorsepower1 02-24-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by yschmidt (Post 3626032)
WOW...The first thing that makes sense and really explains what probably happened. Explains how clearances could be correct, temps and pressure good, but still wear the bearings.

So the combo made the oil "drain" out and not allow it to do it's function. An obsolete full groove bearing combined with a hack job grind on the journals (all of them leading & trailing and too wide) caused the excessive wear.

The rest of the issues just look like poor quality.

Again.......I run ALL my performance engine with a full groove main bearing, this allows oil to the rods all the time. NOT AN ISSUE.....we did not touch the chamfering at all on the cranks and it too is not a problem or I would have told you otherwise and you know that!

mrhorsepower1 02-24-2012 03:27 PM

I'm disappointed that I have done 100 % to help Mr.Schmidt and honestly became good friends with him and help him financially and my personal time to help save him money in anyway and get this type of bull****. Now your the championship pro engine builder overnight......your more than welcome to get out here and do it since you know so much brother!

mike tkach 02-24-2012 03:35 PM

rutro,news just in from a very reliable source[i am sworn to secrecy,so dont ask who the source is]it appears mr yschmidt had a cracked header that was causing reversion,that would explain 4 oil changes in 20 hours,also explain excessive bearing ware,and all other oil related problems,and as usual,lets try to blame it on the builder.

mike tkach 02-24-2012 03:51 PM

mrhorsepower1,just as a point for us who dont know you,what is your relationship to gellner performance?

yschmidt 02-24-2012 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by mrhorsepower1 (Post 3626238)
Yankey , just to note your crankshafts were already " chamfer" from the prior build and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the chamfer, bearing clearences, running fully groove bearings....ect. I use the same oiling system on the wetsump engines that we have won the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS with over and over...

Then why did you tell me you did it when I questioned you in a text on Dec. 9 2011 @ 1:43 pm.

You called me to specifically tell me it is something you do.

mike tkach 02-24-2012 03:57 PM

mr schmidt,remember when i said it was you who ruined these engines,looks like the proof is in the pudding:eekdrop:


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