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MIlander 04-15-2012 02:12 PM

another oil filter question
 
I like to change my oil frequently and have seen from searching the forums that a Wix 51060r might be used instead of the Mercury racing 840634k01. I have found that the wix filters 28 gpm and 60 microns but cant find what the specs are for the mercury filter. anybody know?

MIlander 04-16-2012 06:57 AM

I did an extensive search on these forums and on Google but cant find this info. I know Mercury does not manufacture the filters themselves and there is likely an identical filter out there with just a different label on it for half price. obviously Mercury wants to keep it a secret so they can continue to charge their outrageous prices for an oil filter. :angry-smiley-038:

Philm 04-16-2012 11:47 AM

Couldnt tell ya what the Mercury filter is. I use the Wix Racing 51060r filter though, if that helps any.:party-smiley-004:

Griff 04-16-2012 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by MIlander (Post 3664816)
I did an extensive search on these forums and on Google but cant find this info. I know Mercury does not manufacture the filters themselves and there is likely an identical filter out there with just a different label on it for half price. obviously Mercury wants to keep it a secret so they can continue to charge their outrageous prices for an oil filter. :angry-smiley-038:

Here is a good thread http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...mendation.html

Many of the links in the thread do not work anymore, but there are many discussions about the specs of various filters. I have been using Mobil 1 M1-302 filters for over 10 years.

MIlander 04-16-2012 03:21 PM

thanks Griff I did read that one but still nobody seems to know what the Mercury racing filter's flow and filtration specs are. must be top secret!

stevesxm 04-16-2012 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by MIlander (Post 3665201)
thanks Griff I did read that one but still nobody seems to know what the Mercury racing filter's flow and filtration specs are. must be top secret!

how about call them and ask them ?

onesickpantera 04-16-2012 06:06 PM

I thought it was posted what brand of filter it was but I searched and didn't find it. I do know that a guy can drive himself crazy researching filters. Flow vs filtration.

BillK 04-16-2012 06:58 PM

mi,
Another possibility which I rarely see used in marine applications is a System 1 Filter. They are a screen type filter and come apart so you can examine them and clean the screen at each oil change. Circle track racers use them so they dont have to buy a filter each week plus they have the added advantage of being able to see if there is any bearing material etc in the filter and catch problems early. They are a little pricy but if you figure the cost over 10 oil changes and you never have to buy another one, I think they are a bargain. The micron ratings and flow figures are on thier web site and they simply spin on like a normal filter. Just another option.

http://www.system1filters.com/oilfilters.htm

Bill Koustenis
Advanced Automotive Machine
Waldorf Md

Raylar 04-16-2012 07:20 PM

Many Merc racing filters are made by Wix as proprietary part numbers and badging. Merc is not going to tell you or discuss it because they want you to buy their pricey filters. Wix is not going to give out the proprietary Merc spec they are delivering to Merc because they would loose Merc as a customer most likely. I would almost guaranty that the medias are probably the same spec and same micron and flow rates. We and many others have been using the Wix racing filters with absolutly no problems or issues. I doubt your oil ever gets dirty enough to even need changing the filter with every oil change, but I know it makes performance boaters feel better when they do! Quit micro-managing your oil filters.
My suggestion, save some money, put the good Wix racing filter on and use your boat! Spend more time and resources caring and servicing other important and many times overlooked parts and systems on your engine and you will be way ahead!
We see and breakdown many marine performance engines and I can not remember the last time a good marine or racing spec oil filter caused an internal engine problem or excess wear! Good Filters-Good Oils do not break or damage engines!, nor will they stop engines from having other problems or breakage!
Lot of performance boaters seem to talk and think there is some kinda VooDoo Magic in oil filters and lots of oils that will make more power, make their engines run forever and eleviate most engine problems and issues! - JMO - BULLSH*T!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

onesickpantera 04-16-2012 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 3665402)
Many Merc racing filters are made by Wix as proprietary part numbers and badging. Merc is not going to tell you or discuss it because they want you to buy their pricey filters. Wix is not going to give out the proprietary Merc spec they are delivering to Merc because they would loose Merc as a customer most likely. I would almost guaranty that the medias are probably the same spec and same micron and flow rates. We and many others have been using the Wix racing filters with absolutly no problems or issues. I doubt your oil ever gets dirty enough to even need changing the filter with every oil change, but I know it makes performance boaters feel better when they do! Quit micro-managing your oil filters.
My suggestion, save some money, put the good Wix racing filter on and use your boat! Spend more time and resources caring and servicing other important and many times overlooked parts and systems on your engine and you will be way ahead!
We see and breakdown many marine performance engines and I can not remember the last time a good marine or racing spec oil filter caused an internal engine problem or excess wear! Good Filters-Good Oils do not break or damage engines!, nor will they stop engines from having other problems or breakage!
Lot of performance boaters seem to talk and think there is some kinda VooDoo Magic in oil filters and lots of oils that will make more power, make their engines run forever and eleviate most engine problems and issues! - JMO - BULLSH*T!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

I agree we overthink it, myself included. But I have to ask, what is your opinion on flow vs filtration? For example, the standard Wix 51060 flows 9-11 gpm and filters down to 21 microns. The racing filter flows more at 28 gpm, but filters less at 61 microns.

MIlander 04-16-2012 11:24 PM

[QUOTE=Raylar;3665402]

My suggestion, save some money, put the good Wix racing filter on and use your boat! Spend more time and resources caring and servicing other important and many times overlooked parts and systems on your engine and you will be way ahead!

good advice Ray too bad there is'nt an alternative for the Merc cool fuel filters ,with the crappy fuel we are getting now its probably more important than the oil filter.

Raylar 04-17-2012 12:26 AM

Yes It is, the fuel filtering systems on the newer EFI engines is probably the most critical service item on the engines and sometimes overlooked especially on the new CoolFuel II systems where there is no longer a simple spin on fuel water seperator filter, but a small cartidge element filter in the fuel pump housing under a balck plastic cover plate that is hard to even see when actually looking for the filter.
With todays fuel issues, changing this filter regularly is a critical item in keeping the EFI fuel system and injectors flowing the correct amount of fuel,not having a misfire, power reduction or damaging the injectors and lean burning the engine.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

GTOFFSHORE 04-17-2012 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by BillK (Post 3665384)
mi,
Another possibility which I rarely see used in marine applications is a System 1 Filter. They are a screen type filter and come apart so you can examine them and clean the screen at each oil change. Circle track racers use them so they dont have to buy a filter each week plus they have the added advantage of being able to see if there is any bearing material etc in the filter and catch problems early. They are a little pricy but if you figure the cost over 10 oil changes and you never have to buy another one, I think they are a bargain. The micron ratings and flow figures are on thier web site and they simply spin on like a normal filter. Just another option.

http://www.system1filters.com/oilfilters.htm

Bill Koustenis
Advanced Automotive Machine
Waldorf Md

I just picked one up. These things would have helped avoid complete internal destruction from bearing crap etc if used more. Very nice set up and you can put them in line. Very easy to maintain as well.

BillK 04-17-2012 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 3665445)
But I have to ask, what is your opinion on flow vs filtration? .

Personally I would prefer the flow. If there is something circulating in the oil that is going to get stopped by the filter, there is probably already damage getting started and a finer filter isn't going to help a thing. Raylar pretty much summed it up.

Bill Koustenis
Advanced Automotive Machine
Waldorf Md


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