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Mercury 6.2 MX hard to start
I have a Merc 6.2 MX engine here at the shop that is hard as hell to get started at it's first initial start up. Engine sometimes pops too. Fuel filters are new, pressure is good, IAC has been replaced etc. Can't figure this one out, any and all help is appreciated!
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Tell us your symptom in detail. Is the engine turns over easy/fast only it doesn't start right away?
Checked the crank sensor [ near the harmonic balancer] wire plugged in properly? Checked the bolt tightness at the 90A fuse block on the starter? |
Originally Posted by spectras only
(Post 3727785)
Tell us your symptom in detail. Is the engine turns over easy/fast only it doesn't start right away?
Checked the crank sensor [ near the harmonic balancer] wire plugged in properly? Checked the bolt tightness at the 90A fuse block on the starter? |
That 90A fuse block gave me havic for about 3 months, mine started but wanted to hiccup, Spectras only lead me to the 90A fuse block, I took mine off cleaned it and tightened it and now no problems, there's also a similar fuse block on the trim motor and it was also loose on my boat.
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Originally Posted by osur866
(Post 3728285)
That 90A fuse block gave me havic for about 3 months, mine started but wanted to hiccup, Spectras only lead me to the 90A fuse block, I took mine off cleaned it and tightened it and now no problems, there's also a similar fuse block on the trim motor and it was also loose on my boat.
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Originally Posted by baja24outlaw
(Post 3728533)
Thanks again, will check that too. Appreciate all input.
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"Occasional hiccup" , it could well be the crank sensor that you may find at a GM service department cheaper. Too bad you don't have twins to swap them out to see if it's the crank sensor or not. If you have a multimeter, I'd check continuity through the 90A fuseblock, even though it looks clean. Remove the battery cable at the batt post first. You could also, temporarily remove the fuse block and reconnect the cables for a test run. Unplug and re-plug all the connectors that goes to the ECM555 as well ,squirting some contact cleaner into the female connectors.There are some fuses near the ECM to check too.Computer driven engines [ in cars or boats] are voltage sensitive and sometimes a 0.5V drop can cause ignition problems.
I had three Cherokees and the 1990 and later models had this problem with the waterproof crankshaft sensor connector in the back of the engines.All it needed was to spray some contact cleanerin the connector and it was good for another year. Friend worked at a Chrysler dealership as a service manager, told me the horror story that they would replace the distributor charging $$$ to poor customers, finding out it didn't fix the problem. Took the service dep a while to figure it out after hundreds of customers were duped . Same scanario was with the V-6 Ford Probe a friend had. She had the distributor replaced and a charge of around $800,lol. The small ign coil unit next to the distributor could be at fault as well. |
cam sensor . . . this comes up every once in a while with the 08 and up trucks.
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Something else you could change pretty cheaply would be the ignition and fuel pump relays I did that also, but in the end it was the fuse block on the engine, I had about a .5voltage drop across the block before I cleaned mine and tightened mine up, afterwards I had only .1 and problem solved, my problem was after it was running underway.
Might also clean and make sure the main round wiring harness is clean and secure on the back of the motor, I cleaned each and every female pin and some where a lil more dirty than I would have thought, also make sure theres a hose clamp around it and it's plugged in tight. |
Side note, sure the wires are in the proper firing order??
I once got mine out of wack once while changing plugs I reversed a couple, felt like a winner after I realized what I had done |
The engine turns over very good, spins fast and doesn't do anything unless you advance the throttle to Wide open possition and then turn it over. While in this possition the engine will backfire and pop through the throttle body, it even flamed up once and I closed the throttle and it naturally went out. This is the only way I can get this engine to start, let it do it's backfiring and then once it starts to stumble and sputter, it will finally clear out and run fine. Once the engine has been run and is warm it will usually re start without a problem. Once running it's like there is nothing wrong, no miss firing, nothing! I've been at this a long time, this one has me stumped. I ordered a new fuel pressure regulator for it, should be in today, going to try that next.
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Could it be a bad fuel injector leaking? This floods the engine after sitting some time. Hard to start unless you get a lot of air (full throttle), clears up and runs fine until next time...?
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What is the fuel psi on the rail while cranking ? It has a test port. hf...
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I will know tomorrow when I test it if the rain will ever stop here in Gulf Shores Alabama, this has been the worst July I have ever seen. I also got my fuel pressure regulator in today and I am going to install it also.
Like I've said, once has been run for a while, it usually starts fine, not perfectly but a hell of a lot better than the cold first start of the day. I appreciate everyone's input, you learn something new everyday!! |
Put the fuel pressure gauge on Schrader valve and turn the key on to see what your pressure goes to, then see what it does after the pump shuts off. It should drop a little but hold pressure for a long time. If it drops right away (within 5-10 minute) the pressure is bleeding off somewhere and is either the FPR or an injector. It is flooding and that's why it will start when you hold it WOT.
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Baja, what year is the 6.2? Does it have a cool fuel system? If it does, the tiny stainless filter screen under the fuel pressure regulator can clog up , not allowing excess pressure back to the water separator, causing fuel pressure to spike over 70+ psi. It will allow the injectors dumping too much fuel, causing similar problems you've described. Since you're at it, descard this little gem [ 1/4 " in diameter ] to avoid future pressure issues. Merc made this redundant system for warr reasons. There is a filter before the priming [ low pressure pump ] pump, and then the water filter/separator, an 1/2" stainless filter inside the high pressure fuel pump inlet, and finally the little one in the return system under the fuel pressure regulator. Only honest merc mechanics would renommend to descard this tiny filter, cause more money to be made servicing this item!
Fuel pressure should be between 38-42 on the Schrader valve @ idle. |
Thanks very much guy's, I will let you know after today what we found. Thanks so much for the input and information!
yes it has cool fuel, and I am not positive on the exact year at the moment, but I think it is a 2005. |
Alright this is getting old now, my fuel pressure guage kit will not screw to the test port on the fuel rain, doesn't seem to adapt, but looks exactly the same thread pattern and all. I don't know will try and do something to make that work now, dammit, replaced the fuel pressure regulator on the rail near the throttle body, has a snap ring type keeper. Hooked it up to the vac line same ****, turns over and over, will not start.
tries but never will unless you open the throttle wide open and fight with it. Backfires through the throttle body when this is done, and flames up sometimes, don't like doing this at all. I found out this engine has another pressure regulator on the darn cool fuel system, think this could be causing problems? Still lost and ready to say f it. |
Originally Posted by baja24outlaw
(Post 3736926)
[I found out this engine has another pressure regulator on the darn cool fuel system, think this could be causing problems?
Still lost and ready to say f it. |
There is also one on the fuel rail that I replaced and it snaps into place there. it also has a small screen on the front of it. The one down on the cool fuel set up is a solid model that is fastened to the cooling tube. I can't believe this thing has two fuel pressure regulators!
Anyhow, got pressure gauge hooked up today, 45 lbs when key is switched to on position and when spinning it over it still reads around 45 lbs. This engine is getting plenty of fuel and the screen on the old regulator was spotless, so was the fuel water separator filter. I believe that if this engine has had some injector problems leaking fuel into the pistons then these spark plugs are probably fouled badly. Tomorrow I plan to pull some out and check them. |
Originally Posted by halffast
(Post 3733561)
What is the fuel psi on the rail while cranking ? It has a test port. hf...
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Originally Posted by baja24outlaw
(Post 3737281)
45 lbs when key is switched to on and when pump shuts off it bleeds down faster than it should.
I removed the spark plugs today, all were original, but some black with carbon. # 3 was totally black, I am figuring this would be where my bad injector is. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks again. |
6.2 won't start
Well everything has been checked and changed, still to no avail. IAC replaced, TPI replaced, Fuel Pres Reg on fuel rail replaced, brand new spark plugs replaced, and this SOB still won't crank. spins and has an occasional sputter and you can hear deep stumbling coming from inside the throat of the throttle body. Wires are on correctly, I am done with it.
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This may be a bit of a long shot but I have been to hell and back with my 6.2 with under 60 hours on it. Pull the distributor cap and have a look at the inside top for both corrosion and tiny hair line cracks.
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Originally Posted by boatnuts
(Post 3738819)
This may be a bit of a long shot but I have been to hell and back with my 6.2 with under 60 hours on it. Pull the distributor cap and have a look at the inside top for both corrosion and tiny hair line cracks.
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These engines are becoming commonplace, so I suggest to you getting the basic Rinda scanner [ ca$ 4-500 ] at least. The 6.2's ECM555 monitoring 64 functions. If you hooked the engine up to the Rinda scanner, it would give you valuable information. Also, once you got the engine running ,check the injectors one by one with a Noid light [ available at every automotive store] to see if you have constant pulse flashing.
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Originally Posted by spectras only
(Post 3738877)
These engines are becoming commonplace, so I suggest to you getting the basic Rinda scanner [ ca$ 4-500 ] at least. The 6.2's ECM555 monitoring 64 functions. If you hooked the engine up to the Rinda scanner, it would give you valuable information. Also, once you got the engine running ,check the injectors one by one with a Noid light [ available at every automotive store] to see if you have constant pulse flashing.
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Bad grounds check for that also check the connections to the IAC and to the ECT for any corrosion / bad connections. Also U might need a new ECT = engine coolant sensor. Have this motor scanned.
Also have them check for intermittent opens or shorts to ground in the MAP sensor circuit. next have them check for proper operation of the TPS = Throttle position sensor. Anytime a marine shop gets a boat in for repairs the first thing the tech does is get the motor serial #. Mercruiser had two totally different 6.2's engines made. One started in the late 90's and the other started in early 2000's. Again two totally different set ups - one with MEFI 3 (late 90's thru ) the other was with PCM 555 computer controled (early 2000's) Just one example of how they were. Post ur serial #. Good luck with it. |
Originally Posted by boatnuts
(Post 3738819)
This may be a bit of a long shot but I have been to hell and back with my 6.2 with under 60 hours on it. Pull the distributor cap and have a look at the inside top for both corrosion and tiny hair line cracks.
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Originally Posted by baja24outlaw
(Post 3738954)
Thanks for everything, I am having the customer take it where they have this equipment, this has only cost us money and time we cannot charge for.
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This EFI is really making me miss carb's. Fuel, spark, compression 1,2,3. I just had work done on my heads and now a whole box of trouble has popped up. Mine starts and idles ok but when I give it gas it kind of sputters and doesn't want to throttle up but will eventually pull RPM on the hose but only 4,000 under load. I am reading more about the failing cap and rotors so I really hope that solves my problem.
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getting the boat back tomorrow at our shop, after reading and testing and doing all sorts of crap to this thing, I believe that the whole problem is the crankshaft position sensor. Without it operating as it should be, weak fire can occur which explains allot of the symptoms we have encountered with this engine being so hard to start. Will let you know what happens! So grateful for all the input and help and suggestions!
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