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supermx96 12-11-2012 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 3830048)
mfg specs are a recommended minimum, a boosted marine engine is often much greater, not uncommon to see .008 piston to wall on a 4.500 bore a tad less on a 4.250 must remember that controlling the expansion rate of a block at 140 degrees is nearly impossible, so err on the side of caution and add some clearance impo

+1

supermx96 12-11-2012 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by supermx96 (Post 3830022)
Mine is set at .050".
I keep .010" on block deck for future deck squaring and use .040" head gasket.

Oups miss understanding, excuse my english.

blue thunder 12-11-2012 03:15 PM

.004 is way too tight on an open cooled marine SC engine in my .02. That would be the root of the problem. Easy fix though with some new pistons. If you are going with a bigger blower, than the new pistons give you a chance to lower compression a bit anyway. The little blower needs the squeeze though, so if you are staying with 174 I'd go up in compression. And of course you need to set the quench to .040 :whistle:

[email protected] 12-11-2012 07:58 PM

I had very bad luck with the 250 B&M blowers and I NEVER will run a blower without duel carbs. Ever. Period! Always leaned out Cyl. 5 and 7. Too much heat.

supermx96 12-11-2012 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 3830345)
I had very bad luck with the 250 B&M blowers and I NEVER will run a blower without duel carbs. Ever. Period! Always leaned out Cyl. 5 and 7. Too much heat.

I agree litle blower make much heat but the B&M 250 depending on the engine ci and blower rpm could make some great power at 7-8 lb boost non intercooled.

I also had issue with my B&M 250 blower on 454ci with single carb setup and offset carb plate, all 4 rear cylinder was lean. I will run twin carb setup now.

supermx96 12-11-2012 08:42 PM

Has for the wrist pin i have notice on my engine that i had a tight pin in the melt #6 piston, that is normal after a melt piston, but if lil red have 7 on 8 tight piston wrist pin and had only 3 scuffed piston (surely due to a piston wall clearance issue), no sing of detonation what can make that tight wrist pin???

Can be not enought clearance between wrist pin to clearance in piston during the assembly??

Unlimited jd 12-11-2012 09:20 PM

That is one thing I'm still wondering, I did not have a chance to call dean yet, speaking with one engine builder, they had found too smooth of a cylinder wall finish to not retain enough oil and cause issues. This was on high ductile dart blocks that clog up typical fine honing stones and should not be an issue with an oem block

Villian III 12-11-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3829025)
Not sure on the quench I'll have to check upon reassembly, the rings and ring lands look fine.
Maybe I just don't want to believe it, but I've run a lot of big power motors, granted not many in boats, but there are no signs of detonation anywhere on these. I've detonated pistons into a million pieces, and I've made some last that should have blown up right away. How could it have beat the wrist pin bore out of the piston without a single sign on the plugs, bearings or domes??

The upper rod bearing will tell you long before the piston will if you are detonateing in a boosted motor.

MILD THUNDER 12-11-2012 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3830405)
, they had found too smooth of a cylinder wall finish to not terrace rain enough oil and cause issues.

Are you saying you need umbrellas on your pistons? Or its raining out on your terrace?

Unlimited jd 12-11-2012 10:01 PM

Lmao damn smart phone!!!
Not retain enough oil!!!!

picklenjim 12-12-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3830405)
speaking with one engine builder, they had found too smooth of a cylinder wall finish to not retain enough oil and cause issues.

If you notice those pistons have the small grooves machined in the skirts to retain oil between the piston and cylinder. Those really aren't that great of pistons but I don't think that was the problem. In my opinion it was all due to poor machine work. If you have the ability to double check the specs of the machine shops work before assembly than you know everything should be fine. Most people don't think twice about doing this. Here's the piston clearance specs from the merc manual.

TomFTM 12-16-2012 04:31 PM

The pistons are not the problem, I had run those pistons in my old cigarette with bm 250's and single 850 's making 5 lbs of boost for over 600hrs and no failures. I have also done numerous motors with the same pistons in a blower marine application that have lasted for many hours. I do not think your getting 135-140 deg water temp without a thermosat in the northeast waters , probably more like 120. Thus you are not getting the block to expand enough with your current piston to wall clearance. I think if you go to 6.5 that u said you were going to, you should be fine.

Unlimited jd 12-16-2012 05:11 PM

Tom thank you for the input, I had restrictors in the intakes to get a little temp in them and the gauge registered 135-140 but I never verified with any other gauge or laser temp gun.

adk61 12-17-2012 03:11 PM

hey Jamie, you should also enlighten the readers as to the fact that you are upgrading to Mega Blowers (420'S) which is almost equal to an 8:71, with twin DP Holleys

Unlimited jd 12-17-2012 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3828738)
Adding 420 blowers with chillers, reason for double keyway on cranks

like this ?:whistle::party-smiley-004:


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