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Unlimited jd 12-08-2012 05:53 PM

Causes of tight wrist pins and scuffed pistons ?
 
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Engines were HAWK 525's
35 hrs all using 93 octane pump gas
5100 max rpm, never held there for more than 60 seconds at a time mostly cruised at 3900 rpm
454's .030 over (going to measure exact bore tomorrow)
TRW 2399 pistons
088 heads 119cc chambers
28* timing ngk r5674-7 plugs
had b&m 174 blowers with 800 cfm holley's
comp 280 ah 114 cams .547 lift 280/288 114 lsa
rod and main bearings look fine, couple marks/ lines but not beaten out or uneven wear

7 out of 8 pistons in each engine had tight wrist pins, a couple galled the piston when pressed apart.
3 scuffed pistons in one motor, 2 in the other.
Machine shop says detonation but the plugs look perfect, no signs on the domes of the pistons and the upper bearing halves are mint.
I believe they were assembled at .004 piston to wall but will measure to verify, and are going back together @.0065

Any ideas what caused this ? was it detonation ?
I don't run thermostats in the intakes water temp is usually around 135-140 and I never run it hard right away always idle for 5 minutes or so away from the ramp.
They have hp500 oil coolers and thr=ermostatic oil filter heads.

Any help or input is greatly appreciated.

Unlimited jd 12-08-2012 05:57 PM

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dome pic

mike tkach 12-08-2012 06:18 PM

im thinking detonation because the wrist pins are tight,the piston pin bores are probibally egg shaped/out of round .i believe the pistons are forged,and .004 piston to wall is a little to tight,espically on a blown deal,but the plug in the pic looks good.what is the compression ratio,and how much boost at wot?also,who did the assembly.

Unlimited jd 12-08-2012 06:24 PM

8.8-8.9:1 compression ratio standard fel pro marine head gaskets 5 lbs wot, 140* water temps, I bought the motors out of my buddies boat with less than 10 hours on them. He had all the receipts etc. Have to check who did the assembly.
8.84 according to jeg's

mike tkach 12-08-2012 06:35 PM

28 deg timing puts a lot of heat on the piston top,is there any scuffing inbetween the ringlands?

FIXX 12-08-2012 06:50 PM

what side og the pistons have the scuffing? inside or towards the outside the block..

Unlimited jd 12-08-2012 07:14 PM

Outside iirc

Unlimited jd 12-08-2012 07:16 PM

No scuffing visible on the ring lands

Villian III 12-08-2012 07:34 PM

Tight wrist pins would cause the skirt to skuff, piston could not rock freely and would cause side load on them. If you had deonation to the point of knocking a wrist pin hole out of round the upper rod bearing would show copper. Post pics of the rod bearings. sound like poor machine work, and bad assymbly. Side clearance sounds a little tight for a boosted motor, but the piston manufactuer would have the determaining specs for their product.


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