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halffast 12-19-2012 07:34 AM

Aluminum block in boats ??
 
Why don't you see more all aluminum blocks in the fresh water boats ? Are there any negitives to this in reguards to it being in a marine environment ? My current boat is all aluminum and I hope it serves me well,time will tell. hf...

mcollinstn 12-19-2012 08:40 AM

The only negatives are:

cost and much more sensitive to corrosion than cast iron.

wannabe 12-19-2012 09:01 AM

Cost, and most boaters aren't worried about trying to save 200 lbs in a twin engine boat.

In cars weight savings means increased MPG.

We worry about GPM.......:lolhit:

GTOKILLER 12-19-2012 09:13 AM

Most common aluminum blocks are probably 5.7's & 5.3 SBC's anyway they are still kinda pricey, the thing I ran into was making it stand alone power there is so much wiring, modules, & water sensitive stuff. The risk didn't seem worth the reward. IMO

For instance I just sold a blown LS1 with wiring harness basically stand alone power. Engine was totally disassembled & needed block, cylinder & head work. I was asking 3K got 2700.00 SOLD!

GTOKILLER 12-19-2012 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by wannabe (Post 3834298)

In cars weight savings means increased MPG.

We worry about GPM.......:lolhit:


:lolhit:

the deep 12-19-2012 10:30 AM

One of my cat buddies has an aluminum Donovan 540 in his 26' Daytona . Only problem is getting and keeping heat in the oil and there are remedies for that .

c_deezy 12-19-2012 02:10 PM

The 'Razzmatazz' 38 Flat Deck that sold not too long ago had some big Donovan aluminum blocks in it. I think they were like 622 or 632 or something like that.

ezstriper 12-19-2012 03:01 PM

even in fresh water any aluminum block or heads are going to corrode...best bet is a closed cooling system and anti freeze in the engine...

Pismo10 12-19-2012 04:09 PM

Cost..

halffast 12-19-2012 04:42 PM

Good , Feel better now. hf ...

dereknkathy 12-19-2012 05:07 PM

a friend of mine did head work for nascar race trucks with alum small blocks. he said they were good for 600 or so hp. i said mebbe they should run em in boars. he said iron blocks are better torque producers. AL for horsepower. this was 10 years ago. now they are seeing marine use more, but not a lot. as far as closed cooling, i can't see putting raw water through an iron MK IV big block. small blocks are cheap and easy enough to replace.

articfriends 12-19-2012 05:20 PM

If we are talking big blocks unless you are looking to save weight every dyno shop and pro engine builder I have ever dealt with or talked to tells me they make less hp ALWAYS, Smitty

Troy Ray 12-19-2012 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3834626)
If we are talking big blocks unless you are looking to save weight every dyno shop and pro engine builder I have ever dealt with or talked to tells me they make less hp ALWAYS, Smitty

The block or heads have no idea what is in it.

SFOcean 12-19-2012 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3834626)
If we are talking big blocks unless you are looking to save weight every dyno shop and pro engine builder I have ever dealt with or talked to tells me they make less hp ALWAYS, Smitty

Yep, ring seal goes away pretty quickly. I really wanted to go all aluminum but was advised against it by those who have built quite a few endurance engines. Works fine for a drag application though.

ezstriper 12-20-2012 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Troy Ray (Post 3834737)
The block or heads have no idea what is in it.

Not true...heat distortion causes cylinder walls to shift and effect ring seal and therefore loosing H/P, also head temp changes with alum VS iron and also changes H/P...

mike tkach 12-20-2012 09:58 AM

the main reason most dont use aluminum block is cost,cast aluminum blocks are becoming a thing of the past,and a billet block normally cost around 10 grand prepped and ready to go.

Villian III 12-20-2012 07:10 PM

Has anyone tried to run silicone silicate in a closed system to coat the internals with liquid glass before running them with an open cooling system? You can buy this stuff at the drug store, and you are basically coating the cooling system with glass. Works very well when running copper head gaskets to seal the coolant leaks. Old time racer trick. Run it through the cooling system when you are on the dyno and get it heated up real good so it solidifies and coats everything real good.

articfriends 12-21-2012 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Troy Ray (Post 3834737)
The block or heads have no idea what is in it.

Until the cylinders start to dance around and lose ring seal/ distort and wear un-evenly (talking BBC and old school sbc like I mentioned in my post). Years ago I spent a fortune on a splayed cap, Dart aluminum SBC rocket block, had a custom drag pan built for it, raised cam tunnel for tons of stroke, etc, etc. Talked to 4 different top name machine shops about doing the finish work and they all told me the same thing-why did I want to build a motor thats going to make 25-40 LESS hp to save a few pounds??? Now, a motor engineered SPECIFICALLY around aluminum from a clean slate, sure but all these bbc aluminum blocks are basically someone pouring aluminum into a iron mold with cast iron cylinder liners, Smitty


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