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baja24outlaw 01-22-2013 08:56 AM

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Have a big Outerlimits 47 here at our shop, boat has three engine set up, center engine starts and runs fine, however we have oil coming through the exhaust water jackets, especially after the engine is shut off. Does not build up water mix in the oil pan, instead it is emptying the oil pan and the oil is mixing with the oil and exiting through the exhaust water jackets! Both oil coolers have been replaced, thinking this may be the problem. These are Merlin Blocks first generation not Merlin III seies, any ideas? Thanks.

tbanzer 01-22-2013 09:06 AM

Sounds like oil galley is cracked to the water jacket

baja24outlaw 01-22-2013 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by tbanzer (Post 3853160)
Sounds like oil galley is cracked to the water jacket

This exact same thing was told me by another engine builder, would this cause the oil to be drained this way and not re enter the oil pan? I have no water entering back into the oil pan that I can tell, just seems to drain it, not make it.

Rookie 01-22-2013 11:19 AM

Differential pressures. You have greater pressure in the oil system only allowing oil to leave the system but not allow water to enter the oil system. Kind of a one way valve.

Mbam 01-22-2013 11:36 AM

I would double check the oil coolers, can't hurt

baja24outlaw 01-22-2013 08:09 PM

Oil coolers are brand new and were tsted before installation, thats not the problem. Eddie Young owner and Operator of Youngs Performance Marine, told me what it is, seems allot of these older Merlin blocks experienced and issue like this.

Thanks

Rookie 01-22-2013 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by baja24outlaw (Post 3853589)
Oil coolers are brand new and were tsted before installation, thats not the problem. Eddie Young owner and Operator of Youngs Performance Marine, told me what it is, seems allot of these older Merlin blocks experienced and issue like this.

Thanks

So you do not want to share the solution of the problem with the rest of the forum in case this issue is searched at a later date?

offshorexcursion 01-22-2013 09:05 PM

Good idea on re checking the oil coolers. I had new ones (on the cruiser) go bad within a few weeks. Was scratching my head wondering. Sure enough it was the new oil cooler.

Rookie 01-22-2013 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by riverrat (Post 3853613)
Its a BIG secret Rookie ,probably cost him $65.00 for the 1hr min. lol
Jeff A.

Lol, from everything I have read about Eddie he seems to be a class act. I'm sure he told him what his problem is and the answers to future problems. I just don't want Baja24outlaw forgetting to update the post when he does solve the problem. I use the search feature and I would say that half of the issues that are solved are never updated on threads.

baja24outlaw 01-25-2013 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 3853600)
So you do not want to share the solution of the problem with the rest of the forum in case this issue is searched at a later date?

I appologize guy's seriously, everything points to being internally. Coolers are fine, oil is only visable leaving the exhaust dumps after the engine has been shut down, not while running due to the greater pressure of the oil. I trust Eddie any day, he is great at what he does and that is build damn fine engines. I have been doing this a long time myslf, but when it comes to something that stumps me, I always go to Eddie for advice.

Young Performance 01-25-2013 01:36 PM

I'm obviously not 100% on the problem since I haven't had my hands on it. World Products had an issue around 10 or so years ago. I know of quite a few builders that ran into it. There was apparantly some core shift when casting the block and one of the oil passages got really close to the water jacket.Over time, it would crack through to the water jacket. After the coolers were changed, that left the assumption that this is the issue. Like I said, I'm not 100%, but it's where I would put my money.
Eddie

Young Performance 01-25-2013 01:56 PM

Riverrat, I guess you deleted your post, but I see it was quoted. I assume that your comment was directed to me. Not only did I not charge him, but I drove 7 hours to look at it and give Randy my thoughts on it. I try my hardest to help anyone that I can anytime that I can....and I've certainly never charged for it. Not sure what possessed you to make that comment considering that you know nothing about me, but it's WAY off base.
Eddie

mike tkach 01-25-2013 05:22 PM

eddie,thanks for posting this info,the op must have not had the time to do it.and as far as riverrat,s derogative post,i dont know what happened,but all of his posts are gone,so i dont think he will respond to this.

4bus 01-25-2013 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3855426)
eddie,thanks for posting this info,the op must have not had the time to do it.and as far as riverrat,s derogative post,i dont know what happened,but all of his posts are gone,so i dont think he will respond to this.

I have seen people banned, I have seen deleted posts.....I have never seen entire posts just disappear, all his stuff is gone.

This has to be the "oso death penalty" :lolhit: Seems to me in his last few days he was just making it his job to try to upset everyone.

mike tkach 01-25-2013 05:44 PM

4bus,maybe the powers that be just decided enough is enough,but it does not look like he got banned,maybe he got a time out,i cant imagine what would happen if he comes back,it seems like i was a personal target for him,and i have no clue as to why.

the deep 01-25-2013 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3855439)
4bus,maybe the powers that be just decided enough is enough,but it does not look like he got banned,maybe he got a time out,i cant imagine what would happen if he comes back,it seems like i was a personal target for him,and i have no clue as to why.

Mike , some people just are not happy unless they have someone to hate . Isn't that what we call douchebaggery . :lolhit:

Young Performance 01-25-2013 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3855426)
eddie,thanks for posting this info,the op must have not had the time to do it.and as far as riverrat,s derogative post,i dont know what happened,but all of his posts are gone,so i dont think he will respond to this.

No problem Mike. Like I said, my money is on a crack in the oil passage. I've seen it happen to quite a few builders. They all got stuck with the cost of fixing it. World replaced the blocks, but they didn't cover the machine work, gaskets, etc. nor did they cover the labor to swap all of the parts. It was a bad deal. I think there was somewhere around 100 blocks that got out. Luckily, they got it fixed. I don't remember exactly when it was but it was at least 10 yrs ago.
As for riverrat, I don't know what that was about. I did notice that he had a hard on for you for whatever reason. He's just an angry little fellow I guess.
Eddie

mike tkach 01-25-2013 07:21 PM

eddie,what blockdo you like to use on a new build,i have had good luck with the dart big m.

Young Performance 01-25-2013 09:39 PM

Personally, I prefer the Merlin block. I have used a bunch of Dart blocks. I don't have anything against them. Mainly, I prefer the Merlin's billet main caps, especially on something making over 1000 hp. When the Dart block first came out, I actually preferred them on stuff less than 1000 hp. They had a really clean casting, all the holes were already bottom tapped,etc. Those items saved me a ton of work by not having to bottom tap every hole (all of the blocks are very hard with all the nickel they have, so they are all hard to tap) It also saved us a bunch of time not having to remove a bunch of casting flash. Then, after not even a year, they stopped bottom tapping them, the castings weren't as clean, etc. I always used the Merlin b/c of the billet mains on the larger engines, so I figured that I would just use it on everything. Dart didn't have a billet main cap version. They had nodular iron caps and a steel cap version, but they didn't compare to the billet caps. I think that Dart may have a billet cap now, but I haven't used one in quite a while. I certianly don't have anything against them. I just prefer to use the Merlin.
Eddie


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