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ghostrider19d 04-15-2013 11:43 AM

496 mag won't crank
 
I started the motor for the first time of the season with a water hose, no issues, ran fine. Took the boat to the water and tried to crank and I get nothing but a clicking sound, the sound is coming from the module by the fuse on top of the motor. Last season I put a new starter and impeller in it. any thoughts?????

4bus 04-15-2013 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by ghostrider19d (Post 3906091)
I started the motor for the first time of the season with a water hose, no issues, ran fine. Took the boat to the water and tried to crank and I get nothing but a clicking sound, the sound is coming from the module by the fuse on top of the motor. Last season I put a new starter and impeller in it. any thoughts?????

Clean your battery connections, then check all grounds and connections on starter. Assuming you have a good battery.

Randy Nielsen 04-15-2013 12:26 PM

Check your landyard also, that happened to me & that's what the shop said it was. Randy

txriverrat2001 04-15-2013 12:57 PM

Primary starter solenoid? Looks like a trim pump solenoid.... problem is they don't list one on the 496? Still digging though.. if I find it you'll know...

BajaDan 04-15-2013 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by txriverrat2001 (Post 3906126)
Primary starter solenoid? Looks like a trim pump solenoid.... problem is they don't list one on the 496? Still digging though.. if I find it you'll know...


Well it's there and thats your problem. It is the thing you hear clicking on top of the motor. Same as a trim tab pump solenoid. About $15 on ebay. Easy fix.

Dan

txriverrat2001 04-15-2013 01:01 PM

#11 in this pic ...
 
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/Show_...CM+AND+BRACKET

ghostrider19d 04-15-2013 01:15 PM

makes sense, thanks a lot, I get more help from here than in the SELOC manual.

ghostrider19d 04-15-2013 03:42 PM

Thanks again, got one on order thanks for the part # txriverrat...

txriverrat2001 04-15-2013 03:52 PM

No problem... they basically have two type they use - one with a flat mounting base - the other is mounted up a little bit. Both perform the exact same function and can be used if in a pinch ... just the mounting is different. If stuck somewhere - cross the two terminals on top and it'll turn right over... (The larger two of the 4) Good luck!

blue thunder 04-15-2013 05:08 PM

Not to be mr negative but my first thought was hydrolocked. Hope not, but it happens especially after winter layup if it was stored is a cold evironment.

txriverrat2001 04-15-2013 06:06 PM

A "click" is one thing -- if it was making a hàrd "thud" and not rolling over I'd agree.... But those primary solenoids drop like flies

4bus 04-15-2013 06:49 PM

I jump the two terminals with a screwdriver before you go through the hassle of ordering and installing one, good way to check if you have a connection problem elsewhere

keith2500hd 04-15-2013 09:03 PM

i'm with bluethunder, pull plugs and see if it will crankover then. the solenoids carry little current, the starters go bad from water and/or moisture more often from my experience.

BajaDan 04-16-2013 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by BajaDan (Post 3906127)
Well it's there and thats your problem. It is the thing you hear clicking on top of the motor. Same as a trim tab pump solenoid. About $15 on ebay. Easy fix.

Dan

Txriverrat2001

In my reply to you (see above) yesterday the phrase "Well it's there and thats your problem." seems condesending upon rereading it. I did not mean it that way and applogize if that is the way it was taken. I meant it to be that I agreed with you that there is little documentation on this secondary solenoid being on the 496.

I had this problem last year and only was able to track it down through help on this forum. I am 99% certain that this is your problem Ghostrider. Too many of us have had it go bad with the exact same symptoms. Usually it will start if you turn the key enough times however. It seems that they rarely fail totally. The contacts arc, carbon builds up and connectivity is generally lost.

Dan

ghostrider19d 04-17-2013 04:12 PM

changed the part and still getting the same clicking noise, I took a wrench and turned the serpentine belt no issues. The boat is stored in a climate control garage year around. batteries are brand new this year, I put a high performance starter on it and changed the impeller last year. it cranked fine the first time and now just a clicking noise at primary starter solenoid?? Go figure.

txriverrat2001 04-17-2013 04:21 PM

Verify voltage to the small yellow striped wire at the starter itself.... with the key in the start position, you should here the solenoid click .. and 12 volts to the starter mounted solenoid. (which shoud bon on the inside small teminal if I remember correctly) Verify on the primary solenoid you have 12 volts on the red wire opposite of the yellow feed wire going to the starter. If you have voltage at the solenoid - and voltage when you turn the key to start (at the starter) then you have a starter issue. Assumi you have good solid 12volts at the starter as well. Make sense?

ghostrider19d 04-17-2013 04:30 PM

Roger That, will keep trouble shooting

30ftpanther 04-17-2013 05:31 PM

Check all the battery connections both ends of the cables + and -. My truck did the same thing I checked everything on top and thought it must be a bad starter.Went under to pull starter and the + cable on the starter was loose.

4bus 04-17-2013 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by ghostrider19d (Post 3907620)
changed the part and still getting the same clicking noise, I took a wrench and turned the serpentine belt no issues. The boat is stored in a climate control garage year around. batteries are brand new this year, I put a high performance starter on it and changed the impeller last year. it cranked fine the first time and now just a clicking noise at primary starter solenoid?? Go figure.

Not for nothing, but that is why I told you to jump it before you ordered and installed. At least now you have a spare :D

Put a volt meter on the main starter wire and have someone try to crank it, if you see voltage drop you may have a bad connection.

You can also jump the main wire of the starter to the yellow wire on the solenoid, if it cranks then the problem is the hot from your key which is fairly common.

Good luck. And test don't guess :)

Reckless32 04-18-2013 10:14 PM

Is it a single or a twin? If you have a battery on/off switch you might want to take it apart and check for corrosion. You said you put a new starter in last year. So unless the wires to the starter are loose, it should be good to go. "clicking" normally indicates weak voltage either from the battery or from a bad connection. Since the starter was R&R start there and work your way back checking every connection. Check the on/off and check the kill switch connectors for corrosion or looseness, so on and so forth.

Btw, why did you change your starter or what was the problem leading to the change. Perhaps the problem is related.

ghostrider19d 04-19-2013 07:09 PM

Well gents come to find out it was the starter, replaced it today, suppose to be in the 70's here this weekend, will attempt another first run. Thanks for all the advice.

rgrgoog 04-19-2013 10:05 PM

Terry, I would check all the battery connections on both ends of the positive and negative cables with a volt meter. You may have just gotten a bad starter or something else could have caused it to fail so quickly (bad cable, ground, etc.).

Randy Nielsen 04-19-2013 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by rgrgoog (Post 3909236)
Terry, I would check all the battery connections on both ends of the positive and negative cables with a volt meter. You may have just gotten a bad starter or something else could have caused it to fail so quickly (bad cable, ground, etc.).

+1 also check battery. Randy

Reckless32 04-20-2013 12:47 AM

You can check the starter out while out of the motor using a set of jumper cables and a screwdriver to see if its bad. Or take it to your local parts shop and see if they can bench check it. Seems odd it would puke so quick.


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