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Seahawk 2000 04-26-2013 08:47 PM

Front Cylinders not Firing
 
Motor: 502 with 250 blower and duel Holley 850 carbs

Problem: when I start the motor it runs for about 20 seconds then the front cylinders cut out. I know this because the front headers are cold and the boost gauge needle is shaking back and forth at with little vacuum. If I let it sit 10 min. it starts fine then the same thing over and over. Two week a go it was doing the same thing and finally it started to idle correctly after about 6 starts!!

Things I've checked: compression check is good, CMI's don't leak.

Things I've swapped with other motor: front carb, ignition system (ignition module, distributor, sensor and coil) and fuel pump.

I've noticed a little moisture on one of the front spark plugs and checked the exhaust port at the header and there was about of a spoon full of water. I figured this was reversion from when the cylinders cut out.

What could it be?

mike tkach 04-26-2013 09:58 PM

it could be those cylinders have the valves adjusted to tight and when the oil pressure pumps the lifter up one of the valves is not seating properly.

mike tkach 04-26-2013 10:03 PM

what brand plug wires and how old are they,i have seen msd plug wires cause problems,and cyl 1 and 2 are the longest wires.

abones 04-26-2013 10:20 PM

vacuum gauge not steady I would agree with Mike possable valve train issue.

Seahawk 2000 04-26-2013 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3913926)
what brand plug wires and how old are they,i have seen msd plug wires cause problems,and cyl 1 and 2 are the longest wires.

Merc wires probably 7+ years old with NGK R5673-6 plugs.

Why would it idle good at the start and then go bad if it were the wires or plugs?

Seahawk 2000 04-26-2013 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by abones (Post 3913939)
vacuum gauge not steady I would agree with Mike possable valve train issue.

Gauge is steady at the start then gets shakey when cylinders cut out.

Remember compression is good.

Seahawk 2000 04-27-2013 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Seahawk 2000 (Post 3913873)
Motor: 502 with 250 blower and duel Holley 850 carbs

Problem: when I start the motor it runs for about 20 seconds then the front cylinders cut out. I know this because the front headers are cold and the boost gauge needle is shaking back and forth at with little vacuum. If I let it sit 10 min. it starts fine then the same thing over and over. Two week a go it was doing the same thing and finally it started to idle correctly after about 6 starts!!

Things I've checked: compression check is good, CMI's don't leak.

Things I've swapped with other motor: front carb, ignition system (ignition module, distributor, sensor and coil) and fuel pump.

I've noticed a little moisture on one of the front spark plugs and checked the exhaust port at the header and there was about of a spoon full of water. I figured this was reversion from when the cylinders cut out.

What could it be?

Adjusted the valves today and no change. Removed CMI and all noticed small amount of water each header. Could there be a leak in the CMI that I can't detect when It's off the boat. it seems like the water is what makes it start idle bad after 20 seconds. Where is the water coming from?

MEANGREEN231 04-27-2013 08:41 PM

Try running it with the exhaust water supply disconnected and dumping into the bilge. Process of elimination would be my path to glory...good luck

Seahawk 2000 04-28-2013 04:17 PM

ttt

zz28zz 04-28-2013 10:33 PM

Vacuum leak? Try forcing choke closed on front carb and see if the fronts start firing again?

Alex 04-29-2013 02:21 AM

Cracked weld in the header that opens up as it gets warmer?

Seahawk 2000 04-29-2013 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Alex (Post 3915029)
Cracked weld in the header that opens up as it gets warmer?

I water pressure tested the header and it seemed to be ok. Could a cracked weld be closed that tight when cold to hold pressure of a garden hose on full blast?

Seahawk 2000 04-30-2013 11:50 AM

ttt

Rookie 04-30-2013 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Seahawk 2000 (Post 3915200)
I water pressure tested the header and it seemed to be ok. Could a cracked weld be closed that tight when cold to hold pressure of a garden hose on full blast?

Heat will expand the crack. I would fix the water issue before I would even start worrying about the front cylinders firing. You can cause some sever damage and front cylinders not firing will be the least of your worries. The water is probably the root of your problems.

Also the garden hose won't keep up with the volume of the sea pump.

Seahawk 2000 04-30-2013 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 3916043)
Heat will expand the crack. I would fix the water issue before I would even start worrying about the front cylinders firing. You can cause some sever damage and front cylinders not firing will be the least of your worries. The water is probably the root of your problems.

Also the garden hose won't keep up with the volume of the sea pump.

I think the water is putting out the spark plugs close to the crack. I guess I'll swap the header from the good motor and if that doesen't fix it I'll bet it's a cracked head.

Rookie 04-30-2013 03:13 PM

That would suck. I just don't want to see you fill up a cylinder and then bend a connecting rod.

Good luck


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