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ttuton 05-28-2013 04:48 PM

Tach jumps all over
 
I have a pair of 500efi's and the livorsi tachs jump all over around 3000 rpm on both engines. Under 3000 they work fine. I just changed to brand new tachs as I thought they were the problem. The result was the same. Anyone have this problem before?

MILD THUNDER 05-28-2013 05:01 PM

I'd check the grounds real good, and make sure the tach signal wires aren't getting interference from anything routed next to them.

ttuton 05-28-2013 05:36 PM

Unfortunately anything more than replacing something electrical with an identical item is like chineese to me. I can do mechanical stuff no problem but electrical I suck at!

splashandburn 05-28-2013 06:26 PM

I had the exact same issues with a 358 Sonic.I had one tach fail and couldn't get the replacement to sit still over 3000 rpm. I went back and forth with Gaffrig and probably tried 4 or 5 different tachs before I finally got them to operate correctly. They were baffled too and sent me all different wiring configurations before we found the right ones. I'd call them and tell them the issue. They were great with my problem

mickeymcclgn 05-28-2013 07:44 PM

Do you have factory plug wires? I know you didn't mention anything about doing any other work then the tachs but I've witnessed the exact thing you mention when a friend had a 500 efi and he ran the 8.8 wires instead of the factory merc wires. Maybe something with the resistance? It was the only thing he changed on the motors, put a brand new set of factory wires back on and tach was "normal" again. Not an expert opinion just my .0000002

MILD THUNDER 05-28-2013 07:53 PM

Plug wires can do it.

ttuton 05-28-2013 08:15 PM

It has moroso wires. Factory merc wires might help?

mickeymcclgn 05-28-2013 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by ttuton (Post 3932820)
It has moroso wires. Factory merc wires might help?

I'd hate to tell you to go spend 150+ on two sets of wires, but maybe buy a set try them on one motor? If it works then buy a second set. If they don't work neatly put them back in the box and plead the 5th?

Steel Outlawed 06-02-2013 08:59 AM

I had the same problem on one of my 500 efi's it happened to be one of the wires on top of the coil that was defective. Crank the engine and jiggle wires on the coil and the distributor to see if there is a change in engine rpm or sound. It's definitely electrical problem though.

John.Laskowski 06-02-2013 05:02 PM

Poor connections.. Grounds, powers or signal. Any could be it. Your boat sits in the winter? Had same issue here in MI. Moisture.... Corrosion.

Just my thoughts.

tbanzer 06-02-2013 06:12 PM

I had the exact same problem and never did get it corrected. I went as far as running a new signal wire by itself to the tach and running the tach off an independent battery, changed plug wires, running a separate wire from the distributor to the block to ground the distributor. This was several years ago and after trying multiple tachs from Gaffrig I just gave up. Whats funny is I have a digital tach mode on my gps speedo and it works fine. If you get them to work please post your solution.

ttuton 06-19-2013 09:11 PM

I brought my boat to my marine mechanic and he checked all grounds and connections still the same problem. He also installed tach filters from livorsi and that didnt work either. He hooked up an old analog tach and that worked fine. We are both confused. I picked up the boat so I can use it for the weekend and then I will bring it back. Any other ideas?

MrCIG 04-20-2014 10:03 PM

Any fix yet on this? I have one motor doing the same thing checked all the grounds all good changed modules same problem. Maybe it's the wires?

MILD THUNDER 04-20-2014 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by MrCIG (Post 4109634)
Any fix yet on this? I have one motor doing the same thing checked all the grounds all good changed modules same problem. Maybe it's the wires?

Mark did you try switching the tach or wire to the tach I should say? I had a tach do this years ago. I had to turn the selector on the back of the tach, for 4,6,8 cyl, back and forth several times. Whatever that did, made it stop acting up.

Griff 04-20-2014 10:23 PM

Old threads with good info.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...s-500-efi.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ng-around.html

Steel Outlawed 04-21-2014 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by MrCIG (Post 4109634)
Any fix yet on this? I have one motor doing the same thing checked all the grounds all good changed modules same problem. Maybe it's the wires?

See post #9 of this thread.

ICDEDPPL 04-21-2014 08:33 AM

If you guys would just stop revving the engine the tach will stop jumping....

NEXT!

35fountain 04-21-2014 06:34 PM

I had the same problem..Nordskog gauges.Merc thunderbolt IV ignition. I tried everything, ran a new wire, changed the tach, checked all grounds. Problem solved when I switched to MSD ignition complete with new distributor

wybmabiity 04-26-2014 11:38 AM

The Cure
 
I had the fluctuating tech problem on my Formula 353 w/ twin HP500 EFI's. Went through all the troubleshooting stuff discussed here: swapped tachs, plug wires, checked grounds till sunrise, etc.. No joy until...

Turned out the problem was the ground connection between the distributor base and the block. The issue was caused by the paint job on the block which insulates it from the distributor base. The easy cure, suggested by to me by someone at Mercury Racing, is a jumper wire between the distributor cap hold-down screw and and engine-block ground. Worked like a charm. Its dead simple hook up a temporary jumper to validate that it solves the problem for you.

This may also cure other guages jumping around as revs increase through the 2000-3500 rpm range.

Note that the engine will operate flawlessly without the distributor-base grounded to the block. This grounding apparently serves to ground out electrical noise from the ignition appearing on the tach signal wire.

ttuton 04-26-2014 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by MrCIG (Post 4109634)
Any fix yet on this? I have one motor doing the same thing checked all the grounds all good changed modules same problem. Maybe it's the wires?

We ended up putting a pair of older gaffrig tachs in when a friend redid his dash and they work fine! I plan on just leaving it alone until I redo my dash.

GAUGETHIS 04-27-2014 10:49 AM

Post 19 is correct. Livorsi is also working on a fix that would go in-line on the tach signal wire. Hope fully we will have something in the next couple of months.


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