Help - 502 Loss of Power!!
 

OK here's the deal... 92 Baja 240 Islander, stock 502 Mag (carb). Recently installed new distributor cap and rotor (7/5). Boat ran fine. Yesterday, I installed new spark plugs and wires; went with Rapid Fire #1's gapped to .040 and Napa Performance Marine 8mm wires. Previous plugs were Champions and wires were stock Merc. Also, trying new prop, Bravo 1, 22P.

Go to the lake and can't hardly even get on plane. Drop the throttle and it just runs about 3000 rpm for over 30 seconds before planing, half tank of fuel, gear and 4 people. Can't be overpropped, I've turned a 21P Mirage at 5200, a 23P Mirage + at 4400 and a Hydro Q4 24P at 4400. I never got a chance to make a WOT run (too many people on board). All the previous props planed fine. Boat started OK, it did die a couple of times, but always started back up with a little throttle.

Come back home and pull the new plugs, quite a bit of carbon deposits. A couple were somewhat wet with fuel.

Is the timing off somehow? Are the plugs the wrong temp?
Where do I start? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Travis

PS: Not only was this a problem, (first time at this lake) but just before coming in, I got hung up in some mud and broke off the bottom of the skeg!!! Argh!

Low RPMs and wet plugs, sounds like you may have a couple of plugs that are not fireing. Maybe a bad connection on distributer or plug end?

That crossed my mind too. I made sure that all plug caps were pushed on all the way and checked the distributor also. At the plugs, they did not seem to fully "snap" into place, a little bit of play. Can you somehow crimp the connection closed a little to remedy this?

I would remove all plug wires and start again. 18436572.

BT :cool:

BT - Thanks for the obvious! Even though I removed and re-installed each plug/wire one at a time, I will reconfirm.

Any thoughts that the temp rating of the plug is wrong or the timing could somehow be off? Distributor cap was not removed or turned during this recent install.

Thanks and keep the ideas coming.

Start with the bacics.....Check firing order {I know.I know}
go back to old prop {I know.I know} If you didnt mess with the timing it will be fine. Its always the dumbest things that foul me up....Good luck ....let us know!

I think you need a rpm reading at WOT after the basics check out. Three heavy set people can reap havoc with getting on plane. :D

BT :cool:

If you still have the old parts compare them closely. Are they exactly the same? any chance the rotor isn't quite on properly.
other thought is that you have bad wires. Get some good spiral core wires. I use TAYLOR wires. NEVER a problem.
This sounds like a weak spark issue.

Here's the latest... Last night I checked the firing order and made sure the right wires were to the right plugs. Check.
I went ahead and slightly crimped the connector at the plugs. They seem to have a much better connection and now "snap" into place with no play at the spark plug tip. Now, it's just time to get out again and see if there is any improvement.

Tinker - rotor should be fine, boat did run fine for a period (about 3 weeks) before changing the plugs and wires. I've also inspected the previous plugs (Champion RV15YC) to make sure they're the same depth and gap as the new Rapid Fire's. Check.
I used 8mm spiral core wires, per the Napa guy, not sure of the manufacturer. Seriously, he was very helpful, knew plenty about marine performance engines. Wires good, check.

BT - it was my in-laws that were with me. I'm glad to see you didn't include me as one of the "heavy-set people"!!:D

Thanks guys for all the help! Any other ideas are much appreciated.

Continuing Loss of Power Dilema
 

The "new" latest...
Checked all wires and caps, tried a set of NGK's just for grins, and still have extreme loss of power. Seems to be running "rich". Came back from the lake last night and start looking for additional signs. Low and behold the stock coil is leaking its oil out the top. Determine that that can't be good.

So the question is... will this hopefully cure the problem and if so stock Merc or MSD coil replacement, (been reading all the threads about Merc vs. MSD). Who's got the part numbers and best prices.

It's not idling the best either, but I think re-adjusting the carb should take care of that.

Thanks, T

KC Baja,
It ran fine before the plug and wire change? There was a post a while back about some wires causing to much noise for the merc knock sensor. The sensor detects a knock and retards the timing. I'll try to find that post for you.
Dan

This is the link to the wire post. Hope it helps.
Dan
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forum/sh...threadid=21210

Thanks Candyman...
I think it's time for a trip back to Napa. The wires I used crossed-referenced directly with the merc numbers. I saved the old wires, so I'll try them again and see if I have the same issues. The problem is, is that I can only get out on weekends. So its work on the boat during the week and test on the weekend. This makes for a long trial and error period...

Regardless, does the oily fluid leaking from the coil pose a problem also, or is this normal?

KC Baja, concerning your coil... The oil that is leaking out has
one purpose. That is to keep the coil cool. Besides it leaking
out and making a mess, it won't create a problem until the
oil level get too low and the coil cannot keep cool. When the
coil overheats it will just cut out and not work, or possibly fall
down in voltage output., thus your motor quitting or being
down on power. Could very well be your problem.
Personally I would go with an MSD Blaster 2 coil P/N 8202. They run about 30.00. I can get on out UPS today for you if you need.
800-772-2678 ext 239 (We buy direct from MSD)
Someone pipe in and help out in case I'm leading KC Baja in
the wrong direction.

KC Baja- Never mind on the MSD#8202. I would go with
# 8222. It's the same coil but a high vibration resistant unit.
It is potted with epoxy which eliminates the oil for use in
dirt track racing and marine use where they get beat to heck.
You wouldn't need to worry abouth it ever leaking. Of course
it runs a little more at about 40.00. You could probably get
away with a Napa brand or OE quality for less and would be
comparable to your stock unit.

Chadd... Thanks for the advise. I'll give you a call. BTW: is there any reason why your half of Summit prices!!!

...Just kidding, your right on track and I get to support an OSO member. If you read this before I call, the 8222 connection looks different than what I have. My connection looks more like the 8202.
Thanks,
Travis

KC- If your looking in a Summit catalog they might have
the wrong picture next to the part number. The only
difference in the two tops is the high vibe (8222) is
made of an alkyd material that is a little stronger than
the other. Both have the "female" style tops that look
like the old points style distributor caps.

KC- Now I see what they did. I went onto the Summit website
and see they put the Blaster 3 coil picture under the high vibe
coil description. Don't pay attention to their picture.

Thanks Chadd!!
 

Ordered the new MSD coil from Chadd yesterday, should be here on Monday. that's OK, I will be out of town this weekend anyway.
We'll give this a try and hope this will cure the problem. I miss seeing 68 mph and looking to bump 70 once it's all adjusted and running right. I'll post more here as soon as the results are in..

Thanks OSO for all the help!!!
Travis

KC, if the coil doesn't help make sure you try the old plug wires like you said you were going to. Basics, what did you change before it broke! I have chased down many a problem only to feel stupid at how obvious the answer was all along. Hope you get it straightened out. :)

KC Baja, what was the final outcome with your problem, and what was the fix?

Thanks in advance.

Keith,
Thanks for resurrecting an old thread...
Actually, I still do not know the outcome for sure. I took it to a merc tech at the end of last season. He went all through it. Rebuilt the carb, replaced my MSD coil with a stock merc unit, replaced my Rapid Fire plugs with some NGK's, replaced the distributor gear and reset the timing. Claimed it ran out on the hose great. I have not had a chance to water test yet. Maybe this weekend.

Thanks,