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Zeek 09-03-2013 06:28 PM

wanting more lope sound
 
So I want to add a cam for a better sound while I'm traveling in the no wake zones. Might sound nuts but I want it to sound meaner. What cam do you guys recomend for a stock 502. I don't mind doing mild head work if I have to, like I said I just want more lope at idle.

beaver 3 09-03-2013 07:55 PM

Rockers with more ratio will make more duration and lift acting like a small bump up to. A bigger cam.

Katanna 09-03-2013 08:44 PM

i feel the same way, love the lopey idle. Problem is you may have to change your exhaust to prevent reversion.

Steve H 09-03-2013 10:42 PM

Really?

Zeek 09-04-2013 04:39 AM

I never heard of just changing the rockers before, but thats why I am asking here. I am no gear head by any means and dont want to take it to a shop and get molested.

ROB FREEMAN 09-04-2013 03:32 PM

EFI youre ging to be limited .if not than exaust deffinately will play a factor .. so much more to it than just a lopey cam though ... id be more worried about a complete power pakage that performs great .. just cause its lopey doesnt mean its going to run better .

johnnyboatman 09-04-2013 04:12 PM

Just cross the plug wires when you pull in to the marina like some of the guys did in the old days when cruising the drive inn.

ballz2thewall 09-04-2013 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyboatman (Post 3988584)
Just cross the plug wires when you pull in to the marina like some of the guys did in the old days when cruising the drive inn.

is that what they did back then?

Boatally Insane 09-04-2013 09:13 PM

The car guys are doing "ghost cams" in their tunes now... :evilb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP9mXtRORdQ

beaver 3 09-04-2013 09:19 PM

They can do the ghost cam in the mustang because they have variable intake and exhaust cam timing.

Budman II 09-06-2013 02:16 PM

Bob Madera has often mentioned guys looking for a lopier idle when they ask for cam advice from him, and his advice to them is to forget about the idle and use the cam that is best suited for how the boat will be used. If you want a big, mean sounding cam, you will most likely have to spend a few grand for exhaust that mixes the water into the exhaust stream at or near the transom, otherwise you will likely suck water back into the engine and eventually kill it. Even then, without upgrading the other components to take advantage of the cam timing (heads, intake, carb, compression), you will probably not see any significant power gains, and may actually go backwards.

My advice would be to leave it alone and enjoy the boat like it is. The guy with the mean sounding, lopey cam in his boat probably spends a lot of his time wrenching on it to keep it running. Either that, or he has the disposable income to pay someone else who knows what they are doing to wrench on the boat for him. Ask me how I know this. :rolleyes:

Zeek 09-07-2013 04:25 AM

The truth hurts sometimes...

KRAUSMOTORSPORTS 09-07-2013 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 3989668)
Bob Madera has often mentioned guys looking for a lopier idle when they ask for cam advice from him, and his advice to them is to forget about the idle and use the cam that is best suited for how the boat will be used. If you want a big, mean sounding cam, you will most likely have to spend a few grand for exhaust that mixes the water into the exhaust stream at or near the transom, otherwise you will likely suck water back into the engine and eventually kill it. Even then, without upgrading the other components to take advantage of the cam timing (heads, intake, carb, compression), you will probably not see any significant power gains, and may actually go backwards.

My advice would be to leave it alone and enjoy the boat like it is. The guy with the mean sounding, lopey cam in his boat probably spends a lot of his time wrenching on it to keep it running. Either that, or he has the disposable income to pay someone else who knows what they are doing to wrench on the boat for him. Ask me how I know this. :rolleyes:

Yes this is VERY true! I'm running some of the best headers from back in the 90's. when they were 6500$ from Stellings. My cam specs are custom comps cam solid roller .693/.695 @.50 on a 104 LSA. My is very
Ignorant when docking but thanks to patients and good tuning skills. We have made it easier. After a rebuild due to low oil pressure I've found my lifters are now bad (light grind in bearings). It cost lots of $ to sound good but perform good as well. Although you can go slightly larger then what you do now (cam wise) IMO but not overkill as it will hurt performance. And the addition of other parts to make the cam work. Everything must "match".

CrownHawg 09-07-2013 03:46 PM

When I had my 496 Mags converted to HOs, the lope at idle sounded much better (to me). That was simply an HO cam and a reflash of the ECM. I would think you could do something similar to a 502. Of course, I'm no gearhead.

Zeek 09-10-2013 05:19 AM

what exhaust would be the ticket... guess I should start there and work my way into the motor

endeavour32 09-10-2013 08:03 AM

Seeing that you want to run a big cam look for either Gil or Stainless marine manifolds that are dry to the tip. Plan on spending between $900-1500, stainless marine will be the better more expensive option. However remember this, a lopey cam is going to want to make it's power up high in the RPM range. Which means everything in your engine is going to have to be upgraded. Better rod bolts, valve springs, retainers, your going to need the best roller lifters (morel), higher compression pistons, upgrade your Merc carb, ect. As others have said, it's not as easy as just throwing in a big cam to sound cool. Get in touch with Bob from Marine Kinetics and design your engine right. Otherwise your just going to be wasting money.


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