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Borgie 05-29-2014 05:15 PM

Oh you know everyone has their brand of choice ;). It's like a religion.... I'm not going to agree upon 90%, however most applications do more than fine with readily available OTC motor oil. The technology utilized for additive systems used in passenger car oils these days makes some of the top 90's (true synthetics) look pathetic in comparison.

motor 05-29-2014 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Pismo10 (Post 4129645)
It is least understood because it does not matter in 90%+ of motors but everyone like to think it does.

A flat tappet motor that has been sitting 6 years qualifies for the 10% it does matter on

mike tkach 05-29-2014 07:16 PM

i would use a oil that still has a lot of zink or add some zddp just because it has not been run in 6 years,jmo.if it was a 96 or newer i would not worry about the zink.

motor 05-29-2014 07:18 PM

What he said................

Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4129726)
i would use a oil that still has a lot of zink or add some zddp just because it has not been run in 6 years,jmo.if it was a 96 or newer i would not worry about the zink.


vintage chromoly 05-29-2014 07:33 PM

I like bradpenn

Has lots of zinc for flat tappet cam usage.

Borgie 05-30-2014 12:15 AM

Take this for what it's worth. Mobil/Exxon the largest oil company in the world and largest producer of base oils, states that high zinc levels thought to be mandatory in "flat tappet camshaft" engines is an overstated issue and that they side with manufacturers testing , and that most modern oils certified to current API standards( GF-5 for example) contain sufficient levels of ZDDP (zinc & phosphorus) to protect said cams after they have been properly broken in. I tend to believe what they say.

Just because a flat tappet cam fails later in life and wipes a lobe or mushrooms a lifter, we all believe it's the lack of ZDDP in the newer oils while none of us are chemists or tribologists..... Where's the proof guys?There's a thing called metallurgy that's likely to blame in these cases, not zinc & phosphorus. Most modern oils contain enough anti wear additives to keep a old flat tappet cam happy. However even the best oil can't rejuvenate some worn out turd of a cam. Just because an oil has high zinc & phosphorus doesn't make it superior, just as a group 5 base oil doesn't mean it's better than a group 4 base oil. It's the total formulation that makes a robust oil and matching it to the proper application.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1049812

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...d_Tappets.aspx

ZDDP is a great additive no doubt, however my belief is that this "more is better mentality" really has zero science to back it up. As a user how do you evaluate one oil formulation vs another. Answer: you trust a company to tell you what's best. Because if you don't have thousands of miles of UOA performed followed by teardowns with two oils in a fairly controlled environment then everything is just opinion.

And just to clarify, this isn't addressing any individual members directly. I'm not an oil guru by any stretch, however I have spent a good amount of time researching it since about 1996, and if possible like to provide some food for thought.

mike tkach 05-30-2014 05:16 AM

borgie,i am no oil expert but imo i can see no disadvantage to useing an oil with plenty of zddp.i use it in anything with a flat tappet camshaft and i have not had any lobe or lifter issues.unless someone can provide proof that i should not use oil with it i will continue to use it.

Knot 4 Me 05-30-2014 08:52 AM

What cooking oil should I use in my wok for chicken stir fry? :gfight:

I've seen plenty of small and big block Chevy motors in both cars and boats wipe cam lobes back in the day when oils were supposedly "better" and had a ton of ZDDP in them.

Budman II 05-30-2014 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4129992)
What cooking oil should I use in my wok for chicken stir fry? :gfight:

I've seen plenty of small and big block Chevy motors in both cars and boats wipe cam lobes back in the day when oils were supposedly "better" and had a ton of ZDDP in them.

Reminds me of my first car in high school, circa 1981. 76 Camaro with a 305. After I drove it hard doing donuts in the school parking lot, it eventually developed a lifter tick. I decided to rebuild the top end as my first real hot rod project. Didn't have the funds to swap in a 350 at the time, so we bought a replacement cam and lifters and sent the heads off for a valve job. I remember me and my buddy having to pull the lifters out by clamping vice grips around them with a block of wood and literally jumping on them to force the mushroomed lifters through the bores. Amazingly enough, apparently I didn't scuff the lifter bores enough to matter after our night of dancing on my engine. The thing actually ran pretty good with an aluminum intake and Holley 600 and a set of headers. Surprised a few 350s. Was still running strong when I sold it a few years later. Moral of the story - flat tappet cams are a reason that yesterday's engines only ran for 120K miles or so if you were lucky. Today's fully rollerized engines commonly go 250K+ due to the better valvetrain and less fuel dilution of the oil with fuel injection. Oh, and Borgie will also tell you - better oils that we have today. ;)

mike tkach 05-30-2014 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4129992)
What cooking oil should I use in my wok for chicken stir fry? :gfight:

I've seen plenty of small and big block Chevy motors in both cars and boats wipe cam lobes back in the day when oils were supposedly "better" and had a ton of ZDDP in them.

i have personally never had a lifter or a cam lobe go bad in any flat tappet cammed engine i have ever owned and i have had a ton of them.is it the oil i use or am i just a lucky guy?i can tell you that if it wasen,t for bad luck i would have no luck!


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