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Tinkerer 08-13-2014 09:09 PM

O2 guage
 
I installed an INNOVATE O2 gauge two weeks ago. I went out boating last Sunday and the gauge never went off of 8 AFR.
I am getting a light sooting on the back of the boat. If I am getting sooting is that lower than an 8 AFR?
The sensor is good because tonight I connected my laptop to the control and it reads 20.9 O2 without the engine running.

27roadster 08-13-2014 09:41 PM

If you are running a true 8afr that is pig fat? The guage should move quite a bit from idle usually in the 13 or 14 range to 11.5 to 12 range at wot some like it richer or leaner.

Tinkerer 08-13-2014 10:07 PM

The gauge NEVER moves off of 8 after initiation when You turn the key. ( the gauge goes full scale and then to 8 on initial turn of the key.)
I am going to take the laptop with me next time out. That way I can see what the O2 reading is.

Black Baja 08-14-2014 05:00 AM

It should be 22.4 with the engine not running.

ICDEDPPL 08-14-2014 08:07 AM

The o2 sensors I`m familiar with do not read richer than 9.0AFR.
Your plugs would be pretty black. If it does not more off 8 something is wrong with the gauge/o2

sutphen 30 08-14-2014 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4171357)
It should be 22.4 with the engine not running.

innovate will be 20.9 in free air

sutphen 30 08-14-2014 08:36 AM

also never calibrate in the exhaust pipe but in open air.

racinfast002 08-14-2014 12:20 PM

sounds like you are either pig rich or gauge/sensor is acting up. Have you pulled a plug, because at 8.0 it should look real nasty.

TooLateVTEC 08-14-2014 01:02 PM

Is the fuel mileage really crappy?

At 8:1 AFR, you should damn near be able to watch the gas gauge move...

Im thinking your sensor is dead.

Trash 08-14-2014 02:47 PM

I concur with most above. The sensor is not calibrated or is bad. MUST do free air calibration. I actually don't believe your engine would physically operate with an AFR of 8:1. I've seen the high tens on initial tuning and the fumes were eye watering plus the engine idled like a nasty top fuel motor. The IAC surged like crazy trying to keep up.

4bus 08-14-2014 04:06 PM

I was getting readings in the 9s and 10s before tuning and my boat was black, and would require new plugs after 20 hrs or so. At 8 I would think your engine would sound like 8 lawn mowers running. Also you should see some dancing in the numbers, if it is just locked on one exact number something is wrong

MILD THUNDER 08-14-2014 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 4171757)
I was getting readings in the 9s and 10s before tuning and my boat was black, and would require new plugs after 20 hrs or so. At 8 I would think your engine would sound like 8 lawn mowers running. Also you should see some dancing in the numbers, if it is just locked on one exact number something is wrong

You mean mercury set their engines up towards the rich side? :cartman:

4bus 08-14-2014 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4171800)
You mean mercury set their engines up towards the rich side? :cartman:

Surprised it even ran, what a difference. I don't know about others, but there were way off on the 575, maybe they were trying to protect the xr drive? Lol

Tinkerer 08-14-2014 07:20 PM

The O2 sensor is working since it reads 20.9 O2 ( atmospheric oxygen level ) and I did calibrate it outside the header.
My EGT's are low (1200*)
I can read the O2 and air/fuel levels off of the laptop bypassing the gauge.
I have dry headers.

4bus 08-15-2014 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4171863)
The O2 sensor is working since it reads 20.9 O2 ( atmospheric oxygen level ) and I did calibrate it outside the header.
My EGT's are low (1200*)
I can read the O2 and air/fuel levels off of the laptop bypassing the gauge.
I have dry headers.

Dry exhaust reduces soot vs wet exhaust, if you are truly running at 8 you should see black smoke every time you free rev that boat. If you are confident the o2 is correct what is your question?

8 afr is damn near a hydro-lock. It would be lazy, want to stall, load up, and sound like crap.

I'll ask again, is it locked on a number or is it moving around? Where is is at idle, cruise and wot? If you say 8 all the time something is not working :)

underpsi68 08-15-2014 06:08 PM

Just because it reads 20.9 in free air doesn't mean the sensor is good. 8's are pig rich, it will be a DOG. If it truly is in the 8's you are destroying the rings and cylinder finish.

sutphen 30 08-15-2014 08:04 PM

do the plugs say its running in the 8's?they will be black.

donzi matt 08-15-2014 08:22 PM

Stab the throttle in neutral to about 3500 or so and watch the gauge as the revs drop. No way it is staying in the 8's as the engine decelerates. It sounds like the sensor is screwed.

SB 08-15-2014 09:48 PM

Is this engine on gasoline or E85 ?

Tinkerer 08-15-2014 10:26 PM

It is running on 93 octane. ( 10 to 1 ratio ) I ran it on 89 in the SCARAB. The pistons are 0 decked.
The sensor was working - Last night I was able to get a reading on the laptop that was plugged into the system. The gauge was not working.
It is working now.
I changed the ignition switch and some of the wiring under the dash. ( the wiring on this boat is atrocious ) I test fired the engine and I got a reading on the laptop and the gauge.
I will dial the engine in this weekend.
I have two of the HP 950's so I can TINKER with one while still having a non tinkered model on hand.


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