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bcfountain 09-26-2014 02:30 PM

big cubic inch chevy?s
 
what would be the best size motor for a marine applation?572,598,632.merlin or dart raised block,tall deck?how do they hold up and will they run awhile without a lot of manatince?not looking to get crazy.mild roller hyd,merlin grumpy jenkin 320 cast iron heads.wet sump oiling.850 carb.

drpete3 09-26-2014 02:46 PM

I have a pair of 598 GM bowtie blocks built by Goodwin competition in WI. Hope to live a long time. 700+hp

GPM 09-26-2014 03:09 PM

Depends on what you're going to do with it. I'm guessing your heads will be the limiting factor, the bigger bore will breath better, the 4.75 crank may not be the best for rod to stroke angle.

Wobble 09-26-2014 03:21 PM

http://www.strokerengine.com/DartBBC.html

lots of options, short deck, I think I favor a 565.

this article is what sells me on that combo http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2012...ss-565-engine/

MILD THUNDER 09-26-2014 03:24 PM

If you are gonna go big, with a fresh block, rotating assembly, etc, why limit yourself to "Merlin 320" heads, and "850" carb.

Figure out how much power you want to make, then pick the parts to do it. Its hard to beat a nice 4.5" stroke tall deck setup.

ICDEDPPL 09-26-2014 04:23 PM

I love the 200, 000 mile warranty on Merlins


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Ive tried all the other models
Dopey
Sneezy
Sleepy
Bashful
Happy

but grumpy seems to work the best for me.I think you`re on the right track

Sydwayz 09-26-2014 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by drpete3 (Post 4193615)
I have a pair of 598 GM bowtie blocks built by Goodwin competition in WI. Hope to live a long time. 700+hp

Of course they will! You only go out once every two years! :D

benjen 09-26-2014 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 4193627)
Depends on what you're going to do with it. I'm guessing your heads will be the limiting factor, the bigger bore will breath better, the 4.75 crank may not be the best for rod to stroke angle.

How did you come up with a 4.75 crank?

benjen 09-26-2014 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by benjen (Post 4193679)
How did you come up with a 4.75 crank?

Well, I know how you came up with the 4.75 for a 632, but he listed 2 other versions that can be done with a 4.50 or 4.625 I think.

GPM 09-26-2014 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by benjen (Post 4193679)
How did you come up with a 4.75 crank?

4.56 x 4.375 or 4.5 x 4.5 for a 572, 4.6 x 4.5 for a 598, 4.6 x 4.625 for a 615, 4.6 x 4.75 for a 632 and on and on, just depends on what you want to spend and where you want to make the power.

FIXX 09-26-2014 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by benjen (Post 4193679)
How did you come up with a 4.75 crank?

4.600 bore and 6.700 rods..632..

Dean Ferry 09-27-2014 10:16 AM

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I'm happy with my Victory marine 572, 680 hp BBC:party-smiley-048:

GPM 09-27-2014 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by FIXX (Post 4193792)
4.600 bore and 6.700 rods..632..

That's a short piston

Black Baja 09-28-2014 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 4194011)
That's a short piston

It is short. That's what's in my motor. It does have some rock and with the piston at tdc on a zero deck it's a little nerve racking how much it will rock out of the bore but its a good combination. I've ran it wide open with out even touching the throttle and used 30 gallons of fuel... I'm going to tear it down in a couple weeks and see how hard the big stroke really is on the motor. Not many guys have done this in a boat so there really isn't much info on the combination out there.

As far as the OP goes as said b4 the 320 head isn't a very good head and leaves alot on the table. If you use that had on a big bore motor and need a dome piston to get some compression I you will probably run into more trouble. You can order heads with the chamber for the bore size and ill bet the head is for a 454. If you use a 4.500 bore dome piston the dome will probably have to be machined. Just some things to watch out for. Mistakes I've made in the past...

ezstriper 09-29-2014 07:59 AM

the 632's have a issue breaking cranks around here in race app's we have good luck with short deck 565's but the tall 572's would be my choice in tall...

bcfountain 09-29-2014 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4194462)
the 632's have a issue breaking cranks around here in race app's we have good luck with short deck 565's but the tall 572's would be my choice in tall...

I am guessing too the 565 would be a reliable setup.maybe alittle cheaper to build.ezstriper do you ever boat on lake anna?

ThisIsLivin 09-29-2014 08:45 AM

How come I never hear of anyone building a 588, 4.560x4.5 tall deck? with the 4.560 bore the cylinders walls still have some beef and can be easily rebuilt. Going to a 4.600 bore in a marine motor is too close to the edge for me. I am putting together my wish list for my next boat and this is what I came up with as best combination of power and endurance. I'm still not sure what heads to go with, after looking at the numbers and graphing them out to evaluate area under the flow curve, the AFR 315's look to be the best. I know everyone would go with a bigger head for that size motor, but when you graph out the flow curves for all the major heads, the bigger heads only flow more after .600 lift. I plan on going with a hydraulic roller cam under .700 as most do, so why go with a low velocity port that doesn't flow as well through most of the range of my cam?

ezstriper 09-29-2014 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by bcfountain (Post 4194472)
I am guessing too the 565 would be a reliable setup.maybe alittle cheaper to build.ezstriper do you ever boat on lake anna?

Not really...been down a few times but we stay on the potomac..Rob

jspeeddemon 09-29-2014 10:22 PM

I have a pair of 632's Big block Chevy's in a twin-engine Daytona for the last two years, to this point I have not had any issues with either one of them. They make about 850 hp piece, and really considering everything don't use an extreme amount of fuel! A friend of mine has a twin-engine Donzi with a pair of 588 big block Chevy's that make about 800 hp piece, and is really a better combination considering piston pin heighth and wear issue on the cylinder walls, considering only the 50 or 60 horsepower difference

Black Baja 09-30-2014 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by jspeeddemon (Post 4194946)
I have a pair of 632's Big block Chevy's in a twin-engine Daytona for the last two years, to this point I have not had any issues with either one of them. They make about 850 hp piece, and really considering everything don't use an extreme amount of fuel! A friend of mine has a twin-engine Donzi with a pair of 588 big block Chevy's that make about 800 hp piece, and is really a better combination considering piston pin heighth and wear issue on the cylinder walls, considering only the 50 or 60 horsepower difference

Yes but it would really suck if you had the 588's and needed the 632's and the xtra hp... I went from a 598 to a 632 and what a difference it made in running attitude of the boat. With all the xtra torque the boat really sits back on the drive. With the 598 the boat always chine walked 632 its very rare usually on dead flat water...

drpete3 09-30-2014 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 4193674)
Of course they will! You only go out once every two years! :D

Hey, My motors have about 35 hours on them. Thats pretty good for 3 years

TylerBurich 10-01-2014 02:30 PM

557

Philm 10-03-2014 06:31 PM

After dropping a valve and swapping from solid to hydraulic, I have had 4 trouble free years of boating with my 598ci NA. In the low 700hp range spinning 6k rpm.

I would probably run a 572 tall deck, leaves much more cylinder wall for future rebuilds and can still do a reliable 700hp with a hydraulic setup.


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