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Black Baja 11-17-2014 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4220450)
Improper exhaust dimensions can / will add more reversion (intake + exhaust) tendencies esecially when at 'worst length'.
When the energy wave comes back to the valve and it's open...slurp.

Serious.

:poopoo:

Very true. And an easy way to tell if this is happening is look at the intake runners / ports in the head if there is evidence of carbon then the cam, exhaust or cam &exhaust aren't right.

Full Force 11-17-2014 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4210917)
Following is just conversation:

Blow thru carb's aren't the most trustworthy thing on the open water.
I'm a diehard carb guy, but with blowthru's I personally would go EFI/ Agai, just personal opinion and conversation.

Basically I'm waiting for full report of this engine before I listen to what may have happened without evidence.

My buddys been doing pro charged 509's blow through for 7 years, no issues....

Full Force 11-17-2014 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by FIXX (Post 4211294)
Dont rule out your intercooler,,it might have a hole in it and injecting water into the carb..you said hard starting which the engine could have been trying to start on water with the fuel.. pressure test the cooler..

Does not take much to have leaks in the intercooler, pressure check it, my buddy has gone through 2 of them over 7 years... luckily he has tons of monitering on the boat and saw things not right before it failed..

Full Force 11-17-2014 07:44 AM

What was timing at? I didnt see that said anywhere, there are many things that cause this... timing is a huge factor people overlook...and plugs... but you guys got that..

ezstriper 11-18-2014 10:16 AM

we have run blow thru carb setups(done properly) and had no issues...

the deep 11-18-2014 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4220490)
Very true. And an easy way to tell if this is happening is look at the intake runners / ports in the head if there is evidence of carbon then the cam, exhaust or cam &exhaust aren't right.

Exactly what I found when tearing down my HP500 . Wonder what was left on the table running the stock Gill exhaust .

Black Baja 11-19-2014 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by the deep (Post 4221187)
Exactly what I found when tearing down my HP500 . Wonder what was left on the table running the stock Gill exhaust .

I would imagine a good bit. When this occurs the cylinder is not getting cleaned out. A good clean mixture can't get into the cylinder and its going to re-burn the already spent charge. There are many factors that can cause this to happen bad valve springs/ valve job, exhaust, cam cylinder head ect ect. This phenomenon really has me wondering how beneficial it would be in a custom build to bolt the exhaust on the head and flow the head same with the intake. Based off those numbers then cam the motor. I think this would give the best package...

the deep 11-19-2014 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4221591)
I would imagine a good bit. When this occurs the cylinder is not getting cleaned out. A good clean mixture can't get into the cylinder and its going to re-burn the already spent charge. There are many factors that can cause this to happen bad valve springs/ valve job, exhaust, cam cylinder head ect ect. This phenomenon really has me wondering how beneficial it would be in a custom build to bolt the exhaust on the head and flow the head same with the intake. Based off those numbers then cam the motor. I think this would give the best package...

I was at 300 hrs. on the valve springs . It also appeared the head gaskets were seeping between cylinders . It was definitely time for a refresh/power upgrade .

SB 11-19-2014 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4221591)
I would imagine a good bit. When this occurs the cylinder is not getting cleaned out. A good clean mixture can't get into the cylinder and its going to re-burn the already spent charge. There are many factors that can cause this to happen bad valve springs/ valve job, exhaust, cam cylinder head ect ect. This phenomenon really has me wondering how beneficial it would be in a custom build to bolt the exhaust on the head and flow the head same with the intake. Based off those numbers then cam the motor. I think this would give the best package...

Don't waste your time with flowing headers. Use proper dimensions and you are good to go.

One thing that does make sense to flow on an exhaust is the muffler...if it has one..

Edit in: a 'spent' charge cannot reburn. It does, however, occupy space that fresh air/fuel should be occupying, and thus will be down on power.

SB 11-19-2014 11:06 AM

BTW: I learned the hard way many years ago that I was losing almost 40hp on a mild 375-400 SBC.

It was the headers - wanna guess how ?

It's something I have never overlooked since then and I have seen it as an issue almost a dozen times since then.


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