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Cole2534 11-30-2014 04:37 PM

valve spring bearing
 
In some coil spring apps a thrust bearing is placed under one side of the coil to reduce friction and you end up with a more efficient combo.

Has this ever been tried with valve springs? Slap me if I'm waaaay off in left field.

Black Baja 11-30-2014 05:48 PM

I have never seen a thrust bearing used on a coil spring... What application?

Unlimited jd 11-30-2014 06:13 PM

Rotators on old exhaust valve springs, that's all I've seen. Although I swear I did actually see one hack shop put them on the intake valves. Maybe he trained at cobra?

sutphen 30 11-30-2014 06:49 PM

There's a BBC head that uses rotator on both intake and exhaust valves

sutphen 30 11-30-2014 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4227831)
I have never seen a thrust bearing used on a coil spring... What application?

I've seen them on coil overs
On the fronts

SB 11-30-2014 07:05 PM

Under clutch springs for snowmobiles...LOL. But that's because these springs twisting/turning is part of the force used to tune the clutch. These clutches twist open and close.

BTW: Valves/springs/etc rotate without rotators/bearings/etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtqDHJDN79w&feature=player_embedded

SB 11-30-2014 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4227831)
I have never seen a thrust bearing used on a coil spring... What application?

Struts. Front ones.

Black Baja 11-30-2014 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4227863)
Struts. Front ones.

I understand very well they use a bearing on top of front struts so the car can turn. But that's not what I got out of his description of a thrust bearing on the coil spring.

Unlimited jd 11-30-2014 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4227852)
There's a BBC head that uses rotator on both intake and exhaust valves

Haven't run across it but his was a sbc, one head they were on the exhaust, the other on the intakes.

SB 11-30-2014 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4227877)
I understand very well they use a bearing on top of front struts so the car can turn. But that's not what I got out of his description of a thrust bearing on the coil spring.


Oh, I thought you took valvespring and brought in coil springs in general. My bad.

If you did mean coil springs in general, then I'll remain with my snowmobile clutch examples as others and I (in some clutches) use bearings in direct contact with the coil spring.

Cole2534 11-30-2014 08:51 PM

I was thinking I'd seen them on suspension coils on a high end auto, BMW or MB maybe? Basically as the coil compresses it tries to rotate, but there's more resistance in compression or loading than unloading. By adding the bearing you get a smoother cycle.

I'ze just wondering if anyone had ever built some heads like that!

Black Baja 11-30-2014 09:28 PM

Most of the overpriced junk Bmw and Mercedes I work on have air hydraulic suspension. Just curious cause I've never seen what you are describing.

SB 11-30-2014 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by Cole2534 (Post 4227924)
I was thinking I'd seen them on suspension coils on a high end auto, BMW or MB maybe? Basically as the coil compresses it tries to rotate, but there's more resistance in compression or loading than unloading. By adding the bearing you get a smoother cycle.

I'ze just wondering if anyone had ever built some heads like that!

They (aftermarket for drag race, circle track, etc)have bearings that press in place of control arm bushings. Is that possibly what you are thinking of ?

Cole2534 12-01-2014 05:53 AM

Maybe I am just a crazy person. Lol, oops...

thirdchildhood 12-01-2014 06:11 AM

How are these springs rotating without a bearing and without wearing the head down?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsa6kq-qqIE#t=165

Cole2534 12-01-2014 07:34 AM

Good question. Is the valve rotating in its seat a little with each cycle?


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