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sbslinde 03-03-2015 09:37 AM

Optimal Squish
 
What would be the optimal squish range for a 454 NA build? AFR cyl. heads 10 to 1 compression.

Thanks

Jeff

Black Baja 03-03-2015 09:52 AM

With good parts .035 would be safe.

MILD THUNDER 03-03-2015 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by sbslinde (Post 4273235)
What would be the optimal squish range for a 454 NA build? AFR cyl. heads 10 to 1 compression.

Thanks

Jeff

Ditching the blowers Jeff?

sbslinde 03-03-2015 12:18 PM

No blowers for me. Can't afford what I have now.

adk61 03-03-2015 12:40 PM

.040

TomZ 03-03-2015 01:11 PM

Keep in mind that .035 is the minimal safe piston to cylinder head clearance. I like a little more of a safety margin myself... mine will go together at .044 (piston .005 in the hole and a .039 gasket). But then again, mine will be blown so a tight quench isn't really necessary.

Just my thoughts... by far no expert.... just my experiences.

Black Baja 03-03-2015 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4273319)
Keep in mind that .035 is the minimal safe piston to cylinder head clearance. I like a little more of a safety margin myself... mine will go together at .044 (piston .005 in the hole and a .039 gasket). But then again, mine will be blown so a tight quench isn't really necessary.

Just my thoughts... by far no expert.... just my experiences.

I've got less than that on my 632

TomZ 03-03-2015 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4273322)
I've got less than that on my 632

Less than the minimum? If so, can you elaborate on why? Mine at .044 is still considered tight. Books and articles I've read on this subject say that the tighter than the minimum isn't necessary. Just trying to understand is all.

adk61 03-03-2015 02:28 PM

quench/squish supports combustion process by squeezing the charge into the chamber where the spark occurs, also has a cooling effect as the quench area runs cooler than the rest of the combustion area... this will allow for a higher compression ratio to be used and aid in the quality of combustion achieved... properly designed quench is like upping the octane, promotes a better burn!!

adk61 03-03-2015 02:34 PM

"Zero" decking the block will allow tuning quench with the head gasket, the proper spec for desired quench is a debate that's been around since Chrysler was a cowboy!!! compression ratio and chamber design are factors but on average .035-.060 what I've seen in the field

TomZ 03-03-2015 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 4273361)
quench/squish supports combustion process by squeezing the charge into the chamber where the spark occurs, also has a cooling effect as the quench area runs cooler than the rest of the combustion area... this will allow for a higher compression ratio to be used and aid in the quality of combustion achieved... properly designed quench is like upping the octane, promotes a better burn!!

I know the textbook answer. :D

But why tighter than the recommended safe clearance?

Some say that for very tight quench we want the piston to "just about" kiss the cylinder head surface, but others say that there are diminishing returns or even the chance of promoting detonation (especially in power adder applications... blowers, N2O). Some very well known builders go so far as to say that tightening the quench below .050 on a BBC is a waste of time.

adk61 03-03-2015 02:45 PM

FYI I'm running .060 on my 1100sc engines

Black Baja 03-03-2015 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4273342)
Less than the minimum? If so, can you elaborate on why? Mine at .044 is still considered tight. Books and articles I've read on this subject say that the tighter than the minimum isn't necessary. Just trying to understand is all.

To answer your question honestly it was where the piston ended up. .001 in the hole with .041 gasket. When the motor was tore down you could see on the quench pad that the fuel mixture was being pushed into the chamber (very little carbon). I've ran a 496 in the past .005 out of the hole with a .039 gasket with no issues and that was a good running motor. If I was building a motor with a 4" stroke I would tighten the quench with a 4.750 stroke and a 4.600 piston with 1.120CH height there is alot of piston rock and makes me a little nervous tightening things up.

chrisf695 03-09-2015 10:07 AM

This is an older thread with some great information by Haxby.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ch-thread.html


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