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Black Baja 03-08-2015 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4275732)
I agree and some will build it, but I don't know anyone that will stand behind it.
Also, it might only be an increase in 1.5% as you stated. But, 1.3% might be over the critical angle. (The limit) I have no clue, just stating for discussion not argument:)

i have to ask. What is the critical angle? I've ran a 4.750 stroke and haven't seen any of the "myths" come true upon tear down. And it had hellfire rings in it at that. I honestly don't no where some of these guys come from. The mediocrity boat I guess. It's a lot easier to build something that you have built 100 times before that you know works. But if you never step up and try to make something else work you will never go any faster and stay stuck in the past.

dereknkathy 03-09-2015 03:31 AM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4275743)
If I can rebuild the spare 502 and go from 650 to 800 HP I would be real happy with that and the other changes to the boat. and it would cost only about $5,000 to do it. I was thinking that if I can just replace the crank, rods, cam, lifters and the other wear parts. I was hoping to reuse the pistons I have now.

how can you add 1/4 inch stroke and reuse existing pistons without going with a 1/8th shorter rod? do they even make rods in .125 increments? and wouldn't that have more effect on rod ratio than an extra 1/8th of stroke? and doesn't a new set of rods cost more than a new set of pistons? at least rods that will hold up to 800 hp and 7k rpm?

Tinkerer 03-09-2015 07:06 AM

If you add stroke to a block - lets say .25 inch then don't you have to shorten the rods by that same amount or the pistons are going to stick out of the block by .25 inch. Or if there is room you can change the piston with ones that have a .25 inch higher pin height.
If I stroke the engine I will have to change the crank and rods anyways. If I can reuse the pistons what is wrong with that. Why would the rod need to be .125 inch shorter?

MILD THUNDER 03-09-2015 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4275869)
If you add stroke to a block - lets say .25 inch then don't you have to shorten the rods by that same amount or the pistons are going to stick out of the block by .25 inch. Or if there is room you can change the piston with ones that have a .25 inch higher pin height.
If I stroke the engine I will have to change the crank and rods anyways. If I can reuse the pistons what is wrong with that. Why would the rod need to be .125 inch shorter?

Typically , you don't shorten rods with stroke. You go longer . a 4" stroke typically uses a 6.135 rod. 4.25 stroke uses a 6.385 rod. The pistons would need to be changed as well.

rmbuilder 03-09-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4275869)
If you add stroke to a block - lets say .25 inch then don't you have to shorten the rods by that same amount or the pistons are going to stick out of the block by .25 inch. Or if there is room you can change the piston with ones that have a .25 inch higher pin height.
If I stroke the engine I will have to change the crank and rods anyways. If I can reuse the pistons what is wrong with that. Why would the rod need to be .125 inch shorter?

Steve,

A stroke increase of .250" is a function of 2 x increase in radius.(.125") BBC rod length increases are related to pin placement.

Bob

Black Baja 03-09-2015 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4275869)
If you add stroke to a block - lets say .25 inch then don't you have to shorten the rods by that same amount or the pistons are going to stick out of the block by .25 inch. Or if there is room you can change the piston with ones that have a .25 inch higher pin height.
If I stroke the engine I will have to change the crank and rods anyways. If I can reuse the pistons what is wrong with that. Why would the rod need to be .125 inch shorter?

How are you going to use a longer crank and Rod with the same piston? With a 4.250 stroke you can use the same Rod but it would have to be externally balanced and I don't think that's a good idea but I still don't see how you could use the same piston...

dereknkathy 03-09-2015 09:39 AM

Ok,first post you wanted to stroke 502 to 540. That is adding 1/4 inch stroke. Later you said you wanted to rebuild using same pistons new rods. I was asking how you were gonna do that. You would need to go .125 shorter or pistons would stick up 1/8th inch out of the holes. As bob said 1/4 stroke is moving rod journal out 1/8 inch. So adding .250 stroke with same pistons would entail special 1/8ths shorter rods which in not a good idea...

hogie roll 03-09-2015 11:55 AM

What do your heads flow?

MILD THUNDER 03-09-2015 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4275522)
10.5 to 1 would scare me in a boat. Think 800hp would be hard to achieve unless the heads where killer. With a 540.

You could always jack the compression up and retard the timing . even though you won't make more power, you'll sound cooler telling people at the dock how much compression you have :)

Black Baja 03-09-2015 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4276028)
You could always jack the compression up and retard the timing . even though you won't make more power, you'll sound cooler telling people at the dock how much compression you have :)

Or just buy the set of Pistons in the swap shop (safe with timing) and look cool beating on the guys running blower motors.


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