No problem my friend .

You can not compare fluid filters to air filters micron ratings. I have found this to be very good info about fluid filters micron ratings from the link below.

A couple of years ago I was dealing with a US company that makes a lot of the filter media for fuel filters, to my surprise they said about the same plus a lot of added info for micron ratings. I looked at some of their filter media. the samples of 2 thru 10 true micron media, I could not blow thru it no matter how hard I tried, was so restrictive to my surprise.

Read the link below and what I have always understood was that, very good healthy eyes, 40 microns is the starting point for human visibility. Link below that lists that as well.

http://www.alcofilters.com/getattach...n-Rating.aspx/

A micron is a micron BUP. I'm not comparing air vs oil filtration and the efficiency of said media, I'm sayin there is no way in the world a person with even perfect vision can see a 25 micron particle, be it a airborne particle or one dunked in oil, same thing. The link was to illustrate a specific range of visible particles, airborne or otherwise.

Yes, there seems to be some debate regarding 40-50um being visible with the human eye. The wix racing filter has a nominal rating of around 60-62 from memory. Most of the particles in engine oil are way below this. Guess that's why Blackstone and other analyzers will keep selling particle count services vs hiring the 18 year old kid with 20/20 vision. And in regards to the 25um statement, Im referencing an earlier post.

Is the Napa gold HP1 equivalent any good?.. Compared to Merc that is??

Chris

The advantage of a larger filter is that I get the same flow as a racing filter with twice the filtration. It also has less turbulence at the bottom which allows for more settling especially since I have a large high powered magnet attached to the bottom

Not to hurt anyone's feelings or start an arguement here, but a larger filter absolutely does not equal higher flow. There are small gains, yes, however your larger filter is not anywhere near the 28-30gpm of a wix racing unit. If twice as large equalled twice the flow then why doesn't WIX sell the daylights out of this type of filter in their racing line? The answer is simple, it's the media they choose. 28-30gpm is a ton of flow and most likely overkill for many.

So. Here's my devi's advocate deal again.

If a certain oil filter works well for you, causes no harm with the same motor and environment it's used in, than why research it any further ?

Here's a great quote from Mr Duntov : Why build a swimming pool to prove a bowling ball doesn't float ?

And , again, yes, this info is very good but I would still rather get it from a filter engineer as i do know that filter micron ratings aren't what they appear to be. IE: If a 20 micron filter is 50% effecient at 20 micron, it catches only 50% of the 20 micron particles each pass. And, with paper/ synthetic / fibre filters (being 3d) can filter more fine particles as the material collects contaminants. IE the 'holes' get smaller. The metal screen filters don't as they are 2d. Simple hole pierced in metal sheet. These holes plug to filter, and thus plug as a unit faster and hole size won't change for most of them and thus can't filter finer than the hole size.

National Institute of health disagrees. They say the naked eye can see pollen, which is in the <50 micron range. Many other sources also list particles as small as 25 microns if they are reflective (like, say metal particles). I know for a fact you can see dark partcles on a light background as small as 40 microns, and there is a industry standard test for cosmetics and soaps to do just that. A lab at work does it every day, and there are 40 micron standards the lab techs qualify with.

A good discussion here, with sources, that says 24 microns would be just visible to those with good eyes and 40 microns visible to most.http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/microscopic.html

This surely would be even a better thread if the BORGIE man was around. Where in the world is he. Can we vote to let him back in ?.

As much as I joke about "Where is he"

I hope to God no !!!! He would send PM attacks too,,,,,and then hrs later PM to aplogize.

A true Psycho.

None of us need nor deserve that.

ctraub deserves that.:)

Fixed and on subject !

So all of the past oil filter threads heavily endorsing Wix (which I use) are . . . . . . . . . wrong?:confused:

i b?ught a remote mount because my manifold mount only allowed a short filter. the mount uses 2 filters stock 502 mag. is this ok?

well my engines are still running and its been using 088's,,cross overs,efi and wix filters w/ mobil 1 syn oil(15-50)..those puppies should be dead by all accounts here.:)sorry,couldn't resist.

no!

when i am spinning 6300-6400 rpm and making 1200+hp i don,t care about micron,s i care about OIL FLOW.and the wix racing filter does what i need it to do.i change my oil&filter at 10 hrs or less so it,s a common sense thing for me.when i tear engines down that have run nothing but wix racing filters and all lubricated parts look as they did when installed new im sold.in my car&truck engines that go 5000 miles between oil changes the wix racing filter is not what i use but it is still way better than what super lube install,s when they change your oil.carry on fella,s,jmo but works for me.

Moving on a bit....

I'm still running the OEM lines/relocation unit from the 454 Mag that came with it, but understand that system is pretty inadequate. So what's the hot set up? At the very least change the lines? Is there a kit to buy?

I got in on this a little late however this is a great display of filters. Amazing the difference of the brands -inners/filters

When I ran the stock mag set up years ago I found it to be fine and had the ability to use different length filters. Currently I'm using canton block adapters with head mount housings. The size line you use is your preference. I know individuals who use 8 AN on up to 16 AN. I use 12 and feel very comfortable it's plenty big. If you use all AN fittings and braided lines be prepared to spend some bucks. Will be nice when complete though.

also can have Napa made up hoses. Regardless of what route you go I'd just be very certain everything is plumbed correctly and good and secure. Stay away from barbed fittings with clamps. I treat those lines like a doc does main arteries during heart surgery.

High quality push lock will be more than adequate for any oil system the only thing you wont find is a sweeping bend. Think -10 is around 250psi working pressure. And in salt water it wont corrode fittings and crack.

I called barnes to confirm the oil line size for the supply side of my dry sump system (out of the pump, filter, oil t-stat, oil cooler, and into the block).
They told me to use -12 and not to even think of using smaller than that. I talked to a hydraulic engineer there, not a kid on a tech line.

Maybe it's different on a wet sump system.

i always plum the oil system with -12 but -10 will also work.

3 pages later I`m still not sure if the 51222R WIX filter I use is a good one.

Suthen 30 I notice you rip on Csraub quite a bit .. any reason?

:popcorn:

I believe it goes back to "soda pop camshafts","1adamb" thread from Speedwake, water pump engines from reversion and 690HP peanut port 454's. That's what I have gathered over the years.

thatand he fckd me on 5 sets of lifters and I was sent his retarded spread sheet he uses for designing cams,,which always have tuning issues,valve train issues and generally come up short on hp.plus the dick can't even change his own intake.
Then what reallly sealed the deal is when he came on and said just swapping out an intake netted 30hp.turned out a ton of other things were changed at the same.SB,B2B(born to burn) got pooched.and then there are the 20-30% correction factor dyno sheets,,,and on and on.

I just don't want anyone getting taking by the con man.he can sure talk the deal and come off as a nice guy,,till theres a problem and its always Your fault.

They aren't wrong, WIX makes a great product, however there are more capable filters out there. The WIX racing filter flows 28-30gpm, however do we really need that? Many never pose this question.

It`s interesting different forums and their dynamics. He is to performance boats.com what Bob-0 is to OSO. the go to guy.
Those guys over there don`t do any pleasure boating, mostly all racers, GN7 (RIP) was a big fan and that guy knew his $hit.
It is what it is I guess

hey dudes... I'm sure if you read the ultra fine print on a majority of the filters, you'll find WIX is the mfg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps0roh9plr.jpg

Do these filters make my block look small? Napa 1773. Each hold about 1 qt. I believe 18 micron rated and 30 psi BOV setting and high pressure GM bypass valve in block.. With the tighter filtration rating, I wanted to increase the surface area to mitigate the slower flow through the media.....then I doubled it. They operate in parallel. With running a thermostat, I have zero problems with oil temp. All 5/8" ID lines and Parker push-lock tubing.

Sweet looking setup you have there.

IiI'm using the same double filter manifold.

Anyone using a Wix 51515 or Wix 51622. I am running a marine power remote oil filter setup and the place I bought it from recommends Fram HP1. Not a Fan of Fram and both these cross to the HP1. Any advice is appreciated. Motor is a stock merc so I dont need anything too fancy.

Chris

FWIW maybe a some info for whomever

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...pics/2655177/1

What filter did you switch to?

What filter did you switch to?