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kennyo 04-13-2015 03:08 PM

Engine synchronization on hp 500's
 
My boat was perfect when I put it up last year. This year the port engine runs 2-300 rpm more at the same throttle position. what in the hell could have changed?? I'm gonna check the timing this week but it has me puzzled. Any ideas would be appreciated...

MILD THUNDER 04-13-2015 03:12 PM

Fogging oil is a killer on plugs. Check starboard for a fouled plug, or a gummed up carb jet , etc

kennyo 04-13-2015 03:24 PM

I didn't fog it but I will go through the carbs...

BUP 04-13-2015 03:38 PM

could be fuel system related to ignition related. I would look at your distrib cap and rotor first then move on to other ignition components like coil, spark plug wires and so on - checking spark plugs and condition along with examining them for lean or rich conditions. Possible carb overhaul, Also comp test and fuel pressure test would nt hurt either.

MILD THUNDER 04-13-2015 03:40 PM

300rpm drop is usually a good sign of being down a cylinder

getrdunn 04-13-2015 04:17 PM

You mentioned 300 more rpm at same position however is it at full throttle? Ck cables and throttle position vs plates on ea also.

BUP 04-13-2015 04:28 PM

I hear you that's why I mentioned examine the spark plugs and a comp testing wouldn't hurt either. You know really a forgotten test that not many do anymore is a vacuum gauge testing and power balancing testing. I would a do vacuum testing, they can determine a lot.

Weak or a problem with the valve springs too.

Cole2534 04-13-2015 04:35 PM

What is power balancing testing?

BUP 04-13-2015 04:52 PM

The jist is we use a digital rpm gauge, and ground out spark at each cylinder one by one and look for rpm drop - if no rpm drop that is your problem cylinder. We use 3 inch vacuum hose lead that connected to the distrib terminals and spark leads and ground each by a grounded test lite.

kennyo 04-13-2015 05:14 PM

I just did all the heads and springs last spring. I bought cap and rotors so that will be first....

Cole2534 04-13-2015 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4291715)
The jist is we use a digital rpm gauge, and ground out spark at each cylinder one by one and look for rpm drop - if no rpm drop that is your problem cylinder. We use 3 inch vacuum hose lead that connected to the distrib terminals and spark leads and ground each by a grounded test lite.

Ah, good plan!

MILD THUNDER 04-13-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4291715)
The jist is we use a digital rpm gauge, and ground out spark at each cylinder one by one and look for rpm drop - if no rpm drop that is your problem cylinder. We use 3 inch vacuum hose lead that connected to the distrib terminals and spark leads and ground each by a grounded test lite.

Yes sir. Thats how I used to do it back in the day when I worked as a tech. Very common procedure on the old HEI ignitions. As well as turning the lights off, and spraying windex on the plug wires looking for arcs.

getrdunn 04-13-2015 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4291743)
Yes sir. Thats how I used to do it back in the day when I worked as a tech. Very common procedure on the old HEI ignitions. As well as turning the lights off, and spraying windex on the plug wires looking for arcs.

This was the fun days.. And actually still good knowledge that works to date that seems to be long forgotten at times. Thumbs up!

BUP 04-13-2015 08:18 PM

We still do a power balance testing on MPI engines but the kicker is you have to catch any RPM drop very quickly because the IAC will over compensate pretty fast for the drop then help pick the rpms back up ( inputs to ECM - ECM adjusts RPM's) . Another reason why I like the digital rpm gauge.

richanton 05-12-2015 07:45 PM

You ever get this figured out?

kennyo 05-14-2015 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by richanton (Post 4303512)
You ever get this figured out?

I got everything set perfect timing wise. Went through the carb on the slow motor.....changed cap and rotors on both and it's still that way. Going to look closer at the linkage and WOT... not sure how that could have changed but.....

Powerquest230 05-15-2015 09:23 PM

How does the slower engine sound compared to the other? Should be a noticeable sounds difference at idle if it is dropping a cylinder on those motors.

kennyo 05-19-2015 09:14 AM

They both sound good. No miss. The linkage looks good... going to swap props next and see if it goes with the prop. Like I said. I put it up perfect last fall... Got me puzzled.


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