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Unlimited jd 03-17-2016 06:23 PM

To touch on sb's comment of running the oil the bearing clearances dictate, the stock sealed 500's I've had apart were right @ .002 rods and .0020-.0022 mains. Pretty tight imop to run 20w50

SB 03-17-2016 06:55 PM

Valid point. But (there is always a but right..lol) Merc suggests their 25W-40 right ? If cannot be found, 2nd choice straight 40w if over 50*F as next choice?

MILD THUNDER 03-17-2016 07:46 PM

I agree with the above, but heck, one of the most popular oils to run for years with merc 500's, and similar, was Mobil 1 15w50. I don't think anyone had any oiling issues with it.

Fwiw, out of my Merc HP service manual

800sc Mains 1-4=.0025-.003 , #5 .0035-.004 ,Rods .0025-.003

600sc Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025, #5 .0024-.004, Rods .0025-.0035

HP500 Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025 #5 .0024-.004 Rods .0009-.0025

Thats production specs. Service specs, are a bit looser than that.

In this merc manual, it states that a 20w50 is recommended, or , a straight 40 weight if operating over 50 deg F. If operating between 32* and 50*, a straight 30 was recommened. . It covers the 525sc, HP500, 600sc, 800sc.

blue thunder 03-17-2016 09:18 PM

My own experience with morel link bar lifters is they are finicky to set. I can build 2 engines side by side, set both at 7/8 turn down (mid plunger travel), one quiet on start up the other slight cold chatter with 15-50 mobil 1. In every case I've been able to add 1/8 turn to the engine that has slight pre oil temp chatter and make it quiet.

Unlimited jd 03-18-2016 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4417263)
I agree with the above, but heck, one of the most popular oils to run for years with merc 500's, and similar, was Mobil 1 15w50. I don't think anyone had any oiling issues with it.

Fwiw, out of my Merc HP service manual

800sc Mains 1-4=.0025-.003 , #5 .0035-.004 ,Rods .0025-.003

600sc Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025, #5 .0024-.004, Rods .0025-.0035

HP500 Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025 #5 .0024-.004 Rods .0009-.0025

Thats production specs. Service specs, are a bit looser than that.

In this merc manual, it states that a 20w50 is recommended, or , a straight 40 weight if operating over 50 deg F. If operating between 32* and 50*, a straight 30 was recommened. . It covers the 525sc, HP500, 600sc, 800sc.

Funny how everyone treats merc blue motors like the jewel of the Nile, I know my clearance tolerance is a lot closer than that. That manual reads like that of a gmc truck dealer.
Might as well say "as long as it spins, but doesn't wobble you're good"

MILD THUNDER 03-18-2016 08:40 AM

Mercury racing might not be the jewel, but how often do their engines melt down with spun bearings, or oiling issues with 20 hours on them.

ICDEDPPL 03-18-2016 08:50 AM

^^^ Mine & Joes are right there or a bit looser.
Rather have em looser than tighter.
Merc motors last, I would say they`ve probably done some research on that.

mike tkach 03-18-2016 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4417263)
I agree with the above, but heck, one of the most popular oils to run for years with merc 500's, and similar, was Mobil 1 15w50. I don't think anyone had any oiling issues with it.

Fwiw, out of my Merc HP service manual

800sc Mains 1-4=.0025-.003 , #5 .0035-.004 ,Rods .0025-.003

600sc Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025, #5 .0024-.004, Rods .0025-.0035

HP500 Mains 1-4=.0013-.0025 #5 .0024-.004 Rods .0009-.0025

Thats production specs. Service specs, are a bit looser than that.

In this merc manual, it states that a 20w50 is recommended, or , a straight 40 weight if operating over 50 deg F. If operating between 32* and 50*, a straight 30 was recommened. . It covers the 525sc, HP500, 600sc, 800sc.

hp500 mains .0013 .0025.to me .0013 seems way to tight..0025 to .0035 is how i roll.i doubt ANY hp500 was ever built that tight.also .0009 rod clearance just plain scares me.

getrdunn 03-18-2016 09:01 AM

Runem loose! When I first starting with engine builds I was anal about going by the book on everything and then I woke up one day. All that is for ref and general information. Colder the oil temps the more the clearance.. This is a case where it's ok to NOT hit the side walls as long as your crank bottoms out. Little Friday humor. Ha

getrdunn 03-18-2016 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4417502)
hp500 mains .0013 .0025.to me .0013 seems way to tight..0025 to .0035 is how i roll.i doubt ANY hp500 was ever built that tite.

My last builds were .0035 and they ran forever.


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