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MILD THUNDER 10-08-2015 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4363906)
I hit like because that would be great, but the OP and you and some others are going in a different direction with camshafts.

If the engine was to be designed around say a 6200rpm or so WOT rpm range, then the Dart Tunnel ram would be pretty much close to odeal. If he is going to stay with say 5400rpm and down (as it sounds now) then wouldn't really be worth the little extra effort and $$$$.

Why 5400 and down for max rpm? Im not against adding duration, I just don't like big lift with short duration, and nearly solid roller ramps on a pleasure hydraulic camshaft.

22MTR 10-08-2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4363906)
I hit like because that would be great, but the OP and you and some others are going in a different direction with camshafts.

If the engine was to be designed around say a 6200rpm or so WOT rpm range, then the Dart Tunnel ram would be pretty much close to odeal. If he is going to stay with say 5400rpm and down (as it sounds now) then wouldn't really be worth the little extra effort and $$$$.


SB

I am thinking about a 6000 rpm redline. Given the parts that I have I don't think that is excessive, likely get away with another 1000 with no issues other than the need for a stud girdle, but that is a standard BBC issue when you start to rev them.

I am not adverse to running a tunnel ram but I am becoming concerned about total port volume/cross section area and the resulting decrease in flow velocity.

I have found a few threads dating as far back as 2003 using the 335s on 540s and they seem to make more power than I am looking for... This is with high rise rather than tunnel ram intakes. I realize that I can make a ton of very reliable power with this combination, but I am putting it through a bravo XR, so in the interest of not building myself a drive breaking monster I want to keep the power in the 600-650 range with out completely neutering it... I know that Mild Thunder has been involved in a couple of similar builds so I look forward to the input.

I have seen a couple of setups with the EZ-EFI 2.0 and that has impressed me with its self-tuning capabilities. The application was BBC again but in cross country race trucks.

Keep the ideas coming !! I appreciate the input!!

MILD THUNDER 10-08-2015 06:24 PM

What exhaust system you going to be running MTR?

Black Baja 10-08-2015 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by 22MTR (Post 4363955)
SB

I am thinking about a 6000 rpm redline. Given the parts that I have I don't think that is excessive, likely get away with another 1000 with no issues other than the need for a stud girdle, but that is a standard BBC issue when you start to rev them.

I am not adverse to running a tunnel ram but I am becoming concerned about total port volume/cross section area and the resulting decrease in flow velocity.

I have found a few threads dating as far back as 2003 using the 335s on 540s and they seem to make more power than I am looking for... This is with high rise rather than tunnel ram intakes. I realize that I can make a ton of very reliable power with this combination, but I am putting it through a bravo XR, so in the interest of not building myself a drive breaking monster I want to keep the power in the 600-650 range with out completely neutering it... I know that Mild Thunder has been involved in a couple of similar builds so I look forward to the input.

I have seen a couple of setups with the EZ-EFI 2.0 and that has impressed me with its self-tuning capabilities. The application was BBC again but in cross country race trucks.

Keep the ideas coming !! I appreciate the input!!

A properly tuned tunnel ram will increase air speed not slow it down.

SB 10-08-2015 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4363945)
Why 5400 and down for max rpm? Im not against adding duration, I just don't like big lift with short duration, and nearly solid roller ramps on a pleasure hydraulic camshaft.

That's where it sounded like you guys where going.

By the OP's last post, I guess not.

Well, that said.....would a 242/248 with .650" or so be out of touch " ?

MILD THUNDER 10-08-2015 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4363973)
That's where it sounded like you guys where going.

By the OP's last post, I guess not.

Well, that said.....would a 242/248 with .650" or so be out of touch " ?

I think we are close SB. Something like this would work nicely

http://crane.carshopinc.com/product_.../140173/139681

The 741 crane works good too. I had a flat top piston 540ci with 741 crane , stock crappy merlin iron heads , made right at 600hp at 5800 with a dart single plane.

MILD THUNDER 10-08-2015 07:22 PM

Here's a look at comp's master lobe profiles they grind from. Page 16 is their marine grinds. They aren't offering anything in .650 lift with a 1.7 rocker, until the duration gets up to 254 range. In the 240* range, their "High lift" profile, is a .360 lobe/.612 valve lift. Seems like them and crane, are generally on the same page with lobe sizes for basic bbc marine/endurance stuff. Maybe the independent cam guys know some things they don't about duration vs lobe size, spring life, and so on. Possibly having in house spintrons, and grinding machines, might be a benefit to designing cams for all different applications, I would assume.

http://www.compcams.com/Technical/Ca...obeCatalog.pdf

22MTR 10-08-2015 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4363961)
What exhaust system you going to be running MTR?

CMIs from the HP500EFI

Black Baja 10-08-2015 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4363987)
Here's a look at comp's master lobe profiles they grind from. Page 16 is their marine grinds. They aren't offering anything in .650 lift with a 1.7 rocker, until the duration gets up to 254 range. In the 240* range, their "High lift" profile, is a .360 lobe/.612 valve lift. Seems like them and crane, are generally on the same page with lobe sizes for basic bbc marine/endurance stuff. Maybe the independent cam guys know some things they don't about duration vs lobe size, spring life, and so on. Possibly having in house spintrons, and grinding machines, might be a benefit to designing cams for all different applications, I would assume.

http://www.compcams.com/Technical/Ca...obeCatalog.pdf


Comp and Crane stuff are older lobes.Up until recently we didn't have hydraulic lifters that would support the higher lift cams. Now we do. About a year and a half ago I called everyone and there brother trying to find .700 + lift hydraulic lobe profiles. The only ones that had them were Bullet and Cam Motion. I highly doubt the larger companies are going to get into more exotic hydraulic cams for BBC I really don't think there is a big market for it. From what I've been told the LS market is really starting to pick up. And when you only need 1 cam core on the shelf to make whatever cam you want (instead of a gazillion) it's a no brainer (business wise) what to focus on.

Full Force 10-08-2015 08:25 PM

if you don't have Inconel the "might be for sale valves" BETTER be for sale or your gonna have some issues soon....


Originally Posted by 22MTR (Post 4363834)
Just got off the phone with AFR. The installed springs are the older 8031 spring max lift .750 for solid roller... Guess they will be going up for sale soon !!! Might also have a set of stainless exhaust valves, for sale, very soon too ..



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