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SB 11-17-2015 09:04 PM

I edited above to be more clear.

SB 11-17-2015 09:08 PM

Mike Tkack, Mild Thunder, his other friends , family - Very sorry ! Hold on to the good memories you made with him - I'm sure that's what he would want !

horsepower1 11-17-2015 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Pwraddr (Post 4377257)
I was serious....curious who,they are.

My name is Scott Foxwell. I am originally form the central coast of CA (Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties). I started Foxwell Motorsports in 2003 when I decided to give the performance cylinder head and engine building thing a go. I was a general contractor at the time (why the references to dry wall) and was doing this on the side in my garage. I had a drag boat (how I met Chris Straub) and sold it to buy my first equipment...a VGS seat and guide machine and Sioux valve facer. I worked for Dart in 1990 and was fortunate to work with Rich Maskin as he was developing his Pro Stock program, I was there when he was doing engines for Mark Powuk and the Summit Racing Pro Stock team. When I moved back to CA I went to work for Alan Johnson for a little over four years and gained a great deal of knowledge and experience there, again, very fortunately. I've been involved in all sorts of racing from boat drags, car drags, oval track, road racing and land sped racing. I was the lead fabricator on two Bonneville cars both of which hold multiple 300+ mph records. For a while I was doing more fabrication than I was engine work but my passion lies in the power. Now I work with Chris Straub at Straub Technologies doing induction development and special project engine building. I served my country during peace time as a crewchief on Blackhawk helicopters from 1981-1983 and graduated distinguished grad from the US Army Tech school out of about 300 students. I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ. working toward my A&P license but never completed that. My father was a very successful mechanical engineer, racer, car guy and pilot. I was born 9/8/1958.

abones 11-17-2015 09:21 PM

Joe Sorry to hear about your friend, you are correct about what is really important in the big picture. We are all very fortunate to be able to enjoy this power boating hobby, and sometimes get a little to cocky and forget the most important things in life, Family and Friends. once again sorry for your loss!

horsepower1 11-17-2015 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4377270)
There was no other inuendo, and I made that clear.
I was showing the extreme.
Would not be right if I said friendly and not friendly.

Your attitude has not moved on from the past. I checked on in PB's earlier and you are slamming people over there that don't agree with you. You got bagged for advertising without site sponsorship, selling parts, and treating others like schit over there and you changed your name there too and blamed those you don't get along with.

Your Just pretending to be since you switched names here.

I stayed out of this thread...but you now just provoked me.

I don't really want to go any further than this in this thread if you don't mind. Will you agree to this ?

You didn't stay out of this thread...you had to put your half a cent worth in and you just couldn't help yourself.
That's a lot of pretty heavy accusations you're making there, all from well in the past. Regardless of how childishly inaccurate it is; you want to sling mud, don't expect to not get any in your face. You had your hands in a great deal of all that mess, right up to the elbows. You don't take a back seat to anyone when it comes to slanderous and libelous comments, being foul mouthed and just plain having a really crappy attitude. You wrote the book on putting people down who disagree with you (or you disagree with) and you've probably carried a grudge like a little boy for longer than anyone i know. Here, is a perfect example.
You go ahead and live in the past and carry all that hate. Life is too short for me to. That stuff causes cancer. I told you before, water under the bridge for me.

And I apologize to the rest of the readers for this...really been trying to stay on topic but some comments just need addressing when the antagonism is obviously not going to stop.

vintage chromoly 11-18-2015 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4377217)
you feel the need for this kind of chit but can,t answer my question,that speaks volumes about your character,or lack of!so i guess joe was right about you from the get go.why don,t you do us all a favor and:7160:

Here's your answer mike:

The little searay is In Arizona now.

You may wonder why someone would drive 2500 miles one way and then back to buy an 18' searay. One could buy one of the thousands in any state.

It's because the boat was meticulously rebuilt/restored. Really a nicely restored little boat.

Carry on with your tantrum.

F-2 Speedy 11-18-2015 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377281)
My name is Scott Foxwell. I am originally form the central coast of CA (Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties). I started Foxwell Motorsports in 2003 when I decided to give the performance cylinder head and engine building thing a go. I was a general contractor at the time (why the references to dry wall) and was doing this on the side in my garage. I had a drag boat (how I met Chris Straub) and sold it to buy my first equipment...a VGS seat and guide machine and Sioux valve facer. I worked for Dart in 1990 and was fortunate to work with Rich Maskin as he was developing his Pro Stock program, I was there when he was doing engines for Mark Powuk and the Summit Racing Pro Stock team. When I moved back to CA I went to work for Alan Johnson for a little over four years and gained a great deal of knowledge and experience there, again, very fortunately. I've been involved in all sorts of racing from boat drags, car drags, oval track, road racing and land sped racing. I was the lead fabricator on two Bonneville cars both of which hold multiple 300+ mph records. For a while I was doing more fabrication than I was engine work but my passion lies in the power. Now I work with Chris Straub at Straub Technologies doing induction development and special project engine building. I served my country during peace time as a crewchief on Blackhawk helicopters from 1981-1983 and graduated distinguished grad from the US Army Tech school out of about 300 students. I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ. working toward my A&P license but never completed that. My father was a very successful mechanical engineer, racer, car guy and pilot. I was born 9/8/1958.

I've followed drag racing for a long time, you've had the opportunity to work with some heavy hitters in the field, back in the day I was fortunate to hang around with a couple of the guys from Reher & Morrison, if memory serves me well Mike Head was one of their top cylinder head guys and flow bench experts. Such a tragedy when Lee Shepherd got killed, WJ was one of my fav's, don't really care for the Summit boy's of today, but I understand that Jason Line is a pretty sharp cookie in his own right.........any way enough rambling, welcome aboard, welcome back,

kvogt 11-18-2015 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377281)
My name is Scott Foxwell. I am originally form the central coast of CA (Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties). I started Foxwell Motorsports in 2003 when I decided to give the performance cylinder head and engine building thing a go. I was a general contractor at the time (why the references to dry wall) and was doing this on the side in my garage. I had a drag boat (how I met Chris Straub) and sold it to buy my first equipment...a VGS seat and guide machine and Sioux valve facer. I worked for Dart in 1990 and was fortunate to work with Rich Maskin as he was developing his Pro Stock program, I was there when he was doing engines for Mark Powuk and the Summit Racing Pro Stock team. When I moved back to CA I went to work for Alan Johnson for a little over four years and gained a great deal of knowledge and experience there, again, very fortunately. I've been involved in all sorts of racing from boat drags, car drags, oval track, road racing and land sped racing. I was the lead fabricator on two Bonneville cars both of which hold multiple 300+ mph records. For a while I was doing more fabrication than I was engine work but my passion lies in the power. Now I work with Chris Straub at Straub Technologies doing induction development and special project engine building. I served my country during peace time as a crewchief on Blackhawk helicopters from 1981-1983 and graduated distinguished grad from the US Army Tech school out of about 300 students. I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ. working toward my A&P license but never completed that. My father was a very successful mechanical engineer, racer, car guy and pilot. I was born 9/8/1958.



Just like I thought
He is clearly not qualified to be on this site helping people out with pump gas hydraulic roller cammed 540s. Let alone what heads might work on that combo.


What the hell is wrong with this site.

mike tkach 11-18-2015 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by vintage chromoly (Post 4377352)
Here's your answer mike:

The little searay is In Arizona now.

You may wonder why someone would drive 2500 miles one way and then back to buy an 18' searay. One could buy one of the thousands in any state.

It's because the boat was meticulously rebuilt/restored. Really a nicely restored little boat.

Carry on with your tantrum.

yes it is me that is on a tantrum.lol.dude,you really are clueless! 18 foot sea ray is quite the offshore boat.how many years did it take for you to complete such a large project.

horsepower1 11-18-2015 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377094)
What restrictions?
Please explain. What do you know about cross section, velocity and port/valve area vs. engine displacement and rpm, and what the engine wants or needs? What do you know about any of that regarding hp/tq production? Tell me how much experience you have in induction and engine design and what it takes to make X amount of power for a given combination?
For ideal velocities in the port and valve for a 540 turning 6000 rpm, the areas need to be about 2.64 sq. in. of minimum cross section in the port and about 3.03 sq in. of valve area. The AFR 305 has a min. cross section of 2.99 sq. in and a valve area of about 3.05 sq in. With a 240* @ .05 cam, a 540 turning 6000 rpm needs about 351cfm @ 100% VE. The 305 intake port flows that much somewhere between .550 and .600" lift. I just don't see a restriction but maybe you can point it out to me.
If you want, lets look at 7000rpm. Minimum cross section 3.08 sq. in., valve area 3.54 sq. in. and lets say with a 270* @ .05 cam, needs about 364 cfm. The 305 still has enough cross section (-.09 sq in. is insignificant as far as a restriction), still flows plenty of air but needs more valve area. Yes, we are talking boats not cars, but I don't think the cylinder heads know that...do they??
And FWIW I would not tell someone to choose a set of 305's over 315's to make 800hp but by the numbers, you can see if you HAD the 305's, it could be done.

I have to amend some of the numbers above. It was a little hectic yesterday and I unfortunately transposed a few numbers and I want to make the correction clear to everyone;
The valve area on the 305 heads is not 3.79 sq in. It is somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.05 sq in. Which is plenty for our 540 turning 6000 rpm. When we jump to 7000 rpm...and i should have caught this...the cross section still remains usable but the valve area demand increases significantly. I was mistaken when I said the valve area of the 305 was still adequate. My apologies to all.

brian41 11-18-2015 09:24 AM

Sorry............. no redo's with this crowd...........look at the bright side, the building trade is picking back up.

MILD THUNDER 11-18-2015 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by brian41 (Post 4377416)
Sorry............. no redo's with this crowd...........look at the bright side, the building trade is picking back up.


You can speak for yourself, but please, dont speak for "this crowd".

I for one would like to see his input , and let the rest of us decide what to do with the information he provides.

brian41 11-18-2015 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377418)
You can speak for yourself, but please, dont speak for "this crowd".

I for one would like to see his input , and let the rest of us decide what to do with the information he provides.

Was not ment to be serious.......but understand why you took it wrong.

Rookie 11-18-2015 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377281)
My name is Scott Foxwell. I am originally form the central coast of CA (Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties). I started Foxwell Motorsports in 2003 when I decided to give the performance cylinder head and engine building thing a go. I was a general contractor at the time (why the references to dry wall) and was doing this on the side in my garage. I had a drag boat (how I met Chris Straub) and sold it to buy my first equipment...a VGS seat and guide machine and Sioux valve facer. I worked for Dart in 1990 and was fortunate to work with Rich Maskin as he was developing his Pro Stock program, I was there when he was doing engines for Mark Powuk and the Summit Racing Pro Stock team. When I moved back to CA I went to work for Alan Johnson for a little over four years and gained a great deal of knowledge and experience there, again, very fortunately. I've been involved in all sorts of racing from boat drags, car drags, oval track, road racing and land sped racing. I was the lead fabricator on two Bonneville cars both of which hold multiple 300+ mph records. For a while I was doing more fabrication than I was engine work but my passion lies in the power. Now I work with Chris Straub at Straub Technologies doing induction development and special project engine building. I served my country during peace time as a crewchief on Blackhawk helicopters from 1981-1983 and graduated distinguished grad from the US Army Tech school out of about 300 students. I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ. working toward my A&P license but never completed that. My father was a very successful mechanical engineer, racer, car guy and pilot. I was born 9/8/1958.

Apparently he brings nothing to this forum... :rolleyes:
Thanks for your service.

buck35 11-18-2015 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377409)
I have to amend some of the numbers above. It was a little hectic yesterday and I unfortunately transposed a few numbers and I want to make the correction clear to everyone;
The valve area on the 305 heads is not 3.79 sq in. It is somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.05 sq in. Which is plenty for our 540 turning 6000 rpm. When we jump to 7000 rpm...and i should have caught this...the cross section still remains usable but the valve area demand increases significantly. I was mistaken when I said the valve area of the 305 was still adequate. My apologies to all.

Right or wrong you entered this debate as one smug sum beech , gave incorrect information and declare victory?
Were you both correct or neither, the lack of gloating suggests we were being baffled by book knowledge, I don't build engines but I'm nobody's fool either.

MILD THUNDER 11-18-2015 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4377563)
Right or wrong you entered this debate as one smug sum beech , gave incorrect information and declare victory?
Were you both correct or neither, the lack of gloating suggests we were being baffled by book knowledge, I don't build engines but I'm nobody's fool either.

I must have missed him being a "smug sum beech" ...

Just curious Buck, what is making you jump on the ole bandwagon? Did foxwell do you wrong too?

Pwraddr 11-18-2015 07:43 PM

Thanks for the bio. I assumed (I know, very dangerous) that you were in business somehow. I like to know who is who because I read and see how people treat others and factor that in when time to buy....part of the process and score card for me.

So when I see business owners act like little kids (regardless if they were targeted or not) it makes me not do business with them. People need to learn to take the high road. By the way, not saying you did this, I enjoyed reading your thoughts until the derailment started.

Side note, thanks for your service.

So who is Zome 5?



Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4377281)
My name is Scott Foxwell. I am originally form the central coast of CA (Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties). I started Foxwell Motorsports in 2003 when I decided to give the performance cylinder head and engine building thing a go. I was a general contractor at the time (why the references to dry wall) and was doing this on the side in my garage. I had a drag boat (how I met Chris Straub) and sold it to buy my first equipment...a VGS seat and guide machine and Sioux valve facer. I worked for Dart in 1990 and was fortunate to work with Rich Maskin as he was developing his Pro Stock program, I was there when he was doing engines for Mark Powuk and the Summit Racing Pro Stock team. When I moved back to CA I went to work for Alan Johnson for a little over four years and gained a great deal of knowledge and experience there, again, very fortunately. I've been involved in all sorts of racing from boat drags, car drags, oval track, road racing and land sped racing. I was the lead fabricator on two Bonneville cars both of which hold multiple 300+ mph records. For a while I was doing more fabrication than I was engine work but my passion lies in the power. Now I work with Chris Straub at Straub Technologies doing induction development and special project engine building. I served my country during peace time as a crewchief on Blackhawk helicopters from 1981-1983 and graduated distinguished grad from the US Army Tech school out of about 300 students. I attended Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ. working toward my A&P license but never completed that. My father was a very successful mechanical engineer, racer, car guy and pilot. I was born 9/8/1958.


buck35 11-18-2015 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377566)
I must have missed him being a "smug sum beech" ...

Just curious Buck, what is making you jump on the ole bandwagon? Did foxwell do you wrong too?

Not at all, He called out another member over next to nothing, declared victory and then amended his argument. Seems to me they were both right or both wrong. Nothing more nothing less.

MILD THUNDER 11-18-2015 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4377569)
Not at all, He called out another member over next to nothing, declared victory and then amended his argument. Seems to me they were both right or both wrong. Nothing more nothing less.

Obviously you arent up to date on the backround hatred from a few members towards him. If you go back and reread, you will see it was sutphen 30 who told the OP, how he would be better off reading the hot rod magazine article, rather than listen to horsepower1. He simply rebuttled that accusation.

So while horsepower1 was trying to advise the OP on his build, sutphen 30 chimed in with this, basically saying "dont listen to this dummy"


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4375672)


buck35 11-18-2015 08:03 PM

I'm Very well up to date on the hatred , but I don't know any of the players personally, so occasionally stirring it up will let me know just who is who and whom to listen to.
I got no time for others agends.
by the way sorry for your loss Joe, lost a friend last weekend myself.

Zone 5 11-18-2015 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377570)
If you go back and reread, you will see it was sutphen 30 who told the OP, how he would be better off reading the hot rod magazine article, rather than listen to horsepower1. He simply rebuttled that accusation.

So while horsepower1 was trying to advise the OP on his build, sutphen 30 chimed in with this, basically saying "dont listen to this dummy"

I guess you ran out of dimes for Google?? The valve mistake he made was aimed at me not S30. It was me that he told he could run 7000 rpm with 305's, and I told him to use 315's.

sutphen 30 11-18-2015 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377570)
Obviously you arent up to date on the backround hatred from a few members towards him. If you go back and reread, you will see it was sutphen 30 who told the OP, how he would be better off reading the hot rod magazine article, rather than listen to horsepower1. He simply rebuttled that accusation.

So while horsepower1 was trying to advise the OP on his build, sutphen 30 chimed in with this, basically saying "dont listen to this dummy"

and again I'll say,the motor he posted w/ 240 cam doesn't make 700+hp.
just show you coolaide drinkers he was 30 degrees shorter on cam specs.650-670hp yes,but 700+hp,no way.
but you keep googling the knowledge you and he keep regurgitating.
just a search on here will give you all the combos to make some what advertised hp.

sutphen 30 11-18-2015 09:10 PM

and I'm glad I don't have to rely on self proclaimed expert on heads and air flow.I'm gonna sit back and say BS on the Hp upping that will soon come.
oh and for the record,the 454's that powered my boat to 104mph had 2 tq peaks 4300 and 5100rpm's.and it had a 930cfm carbs.oh,that was 15yrs ago.motors reside in hot rods now.

MILD THUNDER 11-18-2015 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4377596)
and again I'll say,the motor he posted w/ 240 cam doesn't make 700+hp.
just show you coolaide drinkers he was 30 degrees shorter on cam specs.650-670hp yes,but 700+hp,no way.
but you keep googling the knowledge you and he keep regurgitating.
just a search on here will give you all the combos to make some what advertised hp.

So youre the expert, and your gonna compare durations of a mechanical roller cam, to the duration of a hydraulic roller camshaft? As if you are comparing apples to apples ?

Zone 5 11-18-2015 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by Pwraddr (Post 4377567)
I like to know who is who because I read and see how people treat others and factor that in when time to buy....part of the process and score card for me.

So when I see business owners act like little kids (regardless if they were targeted or not) it makes me not do business with them. People need to learn to take the high road. By the way, not saying you did this, I enjoyed reading your thoughts until the derailment started.


So who is Zone 5?

While, you are safe then, because I only build motors for my own things, and I have never sold a part in my life. Unlike some others, I don't read/post on these forums to make money. I am into fast toys, land and water.

Sorry, I can't drop names like some others, but I spent 9 years as the crew chief and head engine builder for a Super Late Model Dirt track car. After this I was offered my one and only career job in racing with Skip Barber (which I turned down because of where I would have had to move) Up until the last couple years I have had 5 different offshore boats (and 3 ski boats) and 2 Vette's both small and big block. multiples of them had either complete rebuilds or upgrades all done by me (except the last one that had things done that I didn't have the time or location to do). Done multiple rigging on these boats, plus on a few small outboard go fasts (like hydrostreams). Going back to ancient ancient history, I rigged one of the first Johnson V-8 outboards on a pleasure boat that is still owned by the original owner and still running 80+ in a 21' bowrider. I lost count of the friends boats that I have worked on from teaching them how to change oil to pulling and rebuilding and reinstalling their motors. Not to mention the boats that I have had a hand in specing and finding parts for. And to some that think that 600 HP is nothing, sorry, but I have never touched a motor with much more than 700 HP in it. I don't have the money for it, and neither do my friends. Well wait a minute, I did change spark plugs in a friends 800 HP blower motor once if that counts and it did have dry pipes)

So, IOW, this is 100% a hobby for me. I have never in over 30 years been paid a dime for any of it.(unless beer counts) Its not a career nor did I expect it to be. Ooops, I lied, I did get my admission to the races paid, and a small % of the purse, which anyone that knows local dirt track knows is enough for a few beers.

MILD THUNDER 11-18-2015 11:09 PM

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Sutphen 30, are you still upset about the morel lifters straub sold you, that you claimed made the blower motors you built , seize valves , and fail, and you accused him of selling you bad lifters ? Lol.. and all you guys made fun of full force tim for running a lifter bore clearance his "engine developer " said was ok to run... Funny, SB claimed those lifters you had spread at the forks , and were a street lifter in another thread.

Now, being that i run morel lifters , as well as several of friends engines, i know that morels street lifter, is NOT a fork style lifter. If you guys arent aware of that, you might try GOOGLE. I know SB has been quick to slam insults, and i would have thought he woukd know morel does not, nor has ever made a "street" fork style lifter, and an engine builder of your caliber, would know this too.

I just read an hours worth of the thread here where once again, you, zone 5, SB, were taking up valuable space, with accusations, insults, and zero facts. Again, with the same party, and the whole time you guys repeatedly over and over, tried slamming straub in every way possible, he responded with data, and facts.

You guys have plastered your hatred all over boatfreaks, and oso about this guy, and sucked so many guys into it as well. I loved the insults from Brian41 , about how he googled straubs address, and it was trees. And how he stocks nothing , and drop ships parts, doesnt actually build engines, or have a legit facility. Amazing, because i think they may have mistaken straub, for bob M. I did google straubs address, and im seeing a decent sized commercial warehouse. Cant say that much for the other guy, who claims to do engine development, balancing, dyno tuning, block machining, cylinder head work, from a 1200 sq ft single family home with a lawnmower shed out back. This whole site has turned into a bunch of boatless, keyboard bullies, with more political bs than Hilarys camp.

For those interested in wasting more of their time, reading more BS from this group of keyboard bullies, here ya go. I must warn you, it will be like groundhog day. Same guys, same stories, same insults, same old garbage.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-numbers.html

Zone 5 11-19-2015 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377635)
you might try GOOGLE.

3 screen prints took you an hour? must be that .10 per search that is slowing you down.
Now try figuring out searching an address. I can give you a hot chit New York City address in a skyscraper on Wall Street, and sound like a big deal. Course inside that address I have a 10x10 office.. IOW, because you found one of the property's that Bob owes, and because you found an industrial building for straub means nothing.

As you, by your own admission don't build your own engines, I don't understand how you are qualified to discuss lifters

As far as the posts by straub, if you want to believe his "facts" go right ahead. As you have zero engine builds to your credit, I have no idea how you would know if they were right or wrong. But hey, I know, you Google searched it so it must be right.

Multiple people that are way smarter than you (and me) have come to the same conclusion on multiple nightmares. and none of them did it because me or anyone else made them.

Zone 5 11-19-2015 01:05 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377635)

Thanks for reminding me of this thread. Seems that straub and his employee horsepower1 need to get on the same page.


Originally Posted by cstraub
AFR 315 Heads
victor Jr
950HP
10.5 to 1
Dyno Headers
715HP at 6000
697#/ft
91 Octane California


MILD THUNDER 11-19-2015 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4377639)
3 screen prints took you an hour? must be that .10 per search that is slowing you down.
Now try figuring out searching an address. I can give you a hot chit New York City address in a skyscraper on Wall Street, and sound like a big deal. Course inside that address I have a 10x10 office.. IOW, because you found one of the property's that Bob owes, and because you found an industrial building for straub means nothing.

So, it applies when we are trying to discredit Straub or Foxwell, but doesn't when it involves someone you "like''. ? What took me an hour, was to read thru yet another thread, where you offered nothing but insults, accusations, and simply garbage.


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4377639)
As you, by your own admission don't build your own engines, I don't understand how you are qualified to discuss lifters

Where did I say I don't "build" my own engines, and where did I say, I was a professional engine builder? Yes, these current 800hp engines I have, Mike Tkach assembled my shortblocks for me. I assembled the tops ends, induction, chose what parts to keep, what parts to reuse, what rigging to be used, rigged them, installed them, tuned them, maintain them, as I have all my other engines I had in my boats, and have done for several friends. And after 4 seasons of beating on them, they are still as healthy as the day they went into the bilge. As well as performed every upgrade, repair, and modification to my own boats, whether it be rewiring, rigging new engine mounts, fuel systems, dash replacements, a/c installations, stereo installations, and have spent many hours on the water and dyno, tuning 800, 900, 1000 plus HP engines. The boats I've owned (several as well), have never seen the inside of a shop for someone else to do the work for me. Have I applied the things I have learned from others to my own stuff, you bet, however, you, were certainly not one of them!


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4377639)
As far as the posts by straub, if you want to believe his "facts" go right ahead. As you have zero engine builds to your credit, I have no idea how you would know if they were right or wrong. But hey, I know, you Google searched it so it must be right.

Multiple people that are way smarter than you (and me) have come to the same conclusion on multiple nightmares. and none of them did it because me or anyone else made them.

So, lets see a picture of those "street" lifters, that caused the failure? I am curious to see if those are the morels that hundreds of us here run, without issues, that caused "no oiling to the top end" and valve seizures. And where these lifters modified ?

Full Force 11-19-2015 05:59 AM

So you are just like most of us, your arguements are no different then any of ours...you are not engine builder but do this for a hobby...


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4377631)
While, you are safe then, because I only build motors for my own things, and I have never sold a part in my life. Unlike some others, I don't read/post on these forums to make money. I am into fast toys, land and water.

Sorry, I can't drop names like some others, but I spent 9 years as the crew chief and head engine builder for a Super Late Model Dirt track car. After this I was offered my one and only career job in racing with Skip Barber (which I turned down because of where I would have had to move) Up until the last couple years I have had 5 different offshore boats (and 3 ski boats) and 2 Vette's both small and big block. multiples of them had either complete rebuilds or upgrades all done by me (except the last one that had things done that I didn't have the time or location to do). Done multiple rigging on these boats, plus on a few small outboard go fasts (like hydrostreams). Going back to ancient ancient history, I rigged one of the first Johnson V-8 outboards on a pleasure boat that is still owned by the original owner and still running 80+ in a 21' bowrider. I lost count of the friends boats that I have worked on from teaching them how to change oil to pulling and rebuilding and reinstalling their motors. Not to mention the boats that I have had a hand in specing and finding parts for. And to some that think that 600 HP is nothing, sorry, but I have never touched a motor with much more than 700 HP in it. I don't have the money for it, and neither do my friends. Well wait a minute, I did change spark plugs in a friends 800 HP blower motor once if that counts and it did have dry pipes)

So, IOW, this is 100% a hobby for me. I have never in over 30 years been paid a dime for any of it.(unless beer counts) Its not a career nor did I expect it to be. Ooops, I lied, I did get my admission to the races paid, and a small % of the purse, which anyone that knows local dirt track knows is enough for a few beers.


sutphen 30 11-19-2015 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377635)
Sutphen 30, are you still upset about the morel lifters straub sold you, that you claimed made the blower motors you built , seize valves , and fail, and you accused him of selling you bad lifters ? Lol..ml[/url]

either you can't read or the 2 guys you hang around are liars.and once a liar,always a liar.
so you see the story again bought 5 sets of supposed morel marine lifters,they all got installed.on 1 motor that I was test firing on the stand(I do that to catch anything),while running looked in the oil fill cap of the 2 piece valve cover.after 5 minutes of run time there was no oil in the upper end.
no engine failure,just had to modify all 5 sets to get them to oil the top end.
btw seagull,all 5 motors still run.

so check back w/ me in 10yrs,,the story will still be the same.

sutphen 30 11-19-2015 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377621)
So youre the expert, and your gonna compare durations of a mechanical roller cam, to the duration of a hydraulic roller camshaft? As if you are comparing apples to apples ?

nope,showing he's full of chit w/ his 240 duration hyd cam making 700+hp you seagull.

Full Force 11-19-2015 06:06 AM

Love it... People are so full of BS....


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377635)
Sutphen 30, are you still upset about the morel lifters straub sold you, that you claimed made the blower motors you built , seize valves , and fail, and you accused him of selling you bad lifters ? Lol.. and all you guys made fun of full force tim for running a lifter bore clearance his "engine developer " said was ok to run... Funny, SB claimed those lifters you had spread at the forks , and were a street lifter in another thread.

Now, being that i run morel lifters , as well as several of friends engines, i know that morels street lifter, is NOT a fork style lifter. If you guys arent aware of that, you might try GOOGLE. I know SB has been quick to slam insults, and i would have thought he woukd know morel does not, nor has ever made a "street" fork style lifter, and an engine builder of your caliber, would know this too.

I just read an hours worth of the thread here where once again, you, zone 5, SB, were taking up valuable space, with accusations, insults, and zero facts. Again, with the same party, and the whole time you guys repeatedly over and over, tried slamming straub in every way possible, he responded with data, and facts.

You guys have plastered your hatred all over boatfreaks, and oso about this guy, and sucked so many guys into it as well. I loved the insults from Brian41 , about how he googled straubs address, and it was trees. And how he stocks nothing , and drop ships parts, doesnt actually build engines, or have a legit facility. Amazing, because i think they may have mistaken straub, for bob M. I did google straubs address, and im seeing a decent sized commercial warehouse. Cant say that much for the other guy, who claims to do engine development, balancing, dyno tuning, block machining, cylinder head work, from a 1200 sq ft single family home with a lawnmower shed out back. This whole site has turned into a bunch of boatless, keyboard bullies, with more political bs than Hilarys camp.

For those interested in wasting more of their time, reading more BS from this group of keyboard bullies, here ya go. I must warn you, it will be like groundhog day. Same guys, same stories, same insults, same old garbage.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-numbers.html


sutphen 30 11-19-2015 06:08 AM

hey mild,stop bringing my name up and I won't post,but say something at me and I will post back.I let this thread go for 20 odd pages,you notice that.you had to drag me back in.
everyone knows where I stand on these internet conman.as do other members of every board they troll.
most have just laugh at their lies and exaggerations.but hey,you type like secretaries compared to me,so you girls must be telling the google searching truth.
i'm out,from the 2 finger typer.

horsepower1 11-19-2015 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4377569)
Not at all, He called out another member over next to nothing, declared victory and then amended his argument. Seems to me they were both right or both wrong. Nothing more nothing less.

I never called anyone out on anything. I simply asked Zone5 to explain why he saiad 305's were "on the edge" of a 540 turning 5600 rpm and how/why 315's would be better...which he never did. I went ahead and tried to show, using solid, known design criteria, why he was wrong in that statement. The whole 7000rpm thing was just used for comparison example. I didn't amend my argument; my argument had nothing to do with a 540 turning 7000rpm. Funny thing is, I could have left it alone and no one here would have known the difference, especially Z5, but in the interest of full disclosure and posting correct information, I felt the need to make the correction. Sorry you feel the need to turn that into something negative.

brian41 11-19-2015 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4377635)
Sutphen 30, are you still upset about the morel lifters straub sold you, that you claimed made the blower motors you built , seize valves , and fail, and you accused him of selling you bad lifters ? Lol.. and all you guys made fun of full force tim for running a lifter bore clearance his "engine developer " said was ok to run... Funny, SB claimed those lifters you had spread at the forks , and were a street lifter in another thread.

Now, being that i run morel lifters , as well as several of friends engines, i know that morels street lifter, is NOT a fork style lifter. If you guys arent aware of that, you might try GOOGLE. I know SB has been quick to slam insults, and i would have thought he woukd know morel does not, nor has ever made a "street" fork style lifter, and an engine builder of your caliber, would know this too.

I just read an hours worth of the thread here where once again, you, zone 5, SB, were taking up valuable space, with accusations, insults, and zero facts. Again, with the same party, and the whole time you guys repeatedly over and over, tried slamming straub in every way possible, he responded with data, and facts.

You guys have plastered your hatred all over boatfreaks, and oso about this guy, and sucked so many guys into it as well. I loved the insults from Brian41 , about how he googled straubs address, and it was trees. And how he stocks nothing , and drop ships parts, doesnt actually build engines, or have a legit facility. Amazing, because i think they may have mistaken straub, for bob M. I did google straubs address, and im seeing a decent sized commercial warehouse. Cant say that much for the other guy, who claims to do engine development, balancing, dyno tuning, block machining, cylinder head work, from a 1200 sq ft single family home with a lawnmower shed out back. This whole site has turned into a bunch of boatless, keyboard bullies, with more political bs than Hilarys camp.

For those interested in wasting more of their time, reading more BS from this group of keyboard bullies, here ya go. I must warn you, it will be like groundhog day. Same guys, same stories, same insults, same old garbage.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-numbers.html


I have had Straub speced engines in my shop so yes I have experience with the carnage that goes back about 10 years. I have seen nothing of him since then and thought that he was long gone until seeing his name pop back up in the past couple of years. You just showed proof that he asked me to look him up, I did and the address at that time came up as a vacant lot of trees in a commercial park, I stated that and he did not dispute it.

Full Force 11-19-2015 06:59 AM

So Dale, what is the deal? you already buy the 310's? or still looking? decides shortblock and goals then look at heads... or if you have the heads already maximize the parts you have..

horsepower1 11-19-2015 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4377593)
I guess you ran out of dimes for Google?? The valve mistake he made was aimed at me not S30. It was me that he told he could run 7000 rpm with 305's, and I told him to use 315's.

That's a flat out lie but since they both have the same valve area, you'd still be wrong.

MILD THUNDER 11-19-2015 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4377665)
Love it... People are so full of BS....

Yep. This group of guys wants to constantly talk about peoples credentials. Like you said, most of us are boat owners and do it yourselfers here. They want to talk about others credentials, ....i dont see you or i claiming to have a engine building business, with a website listing all the things we do (when in reality do none of them). Giving me chit because i had mike t put my shortblocks together....

Id like to see the engines bob has built from scratch himself, rigged for marine, and installed in a boat, and ran for several seasons. I dont see anyone questioning whether he is qualified to discuss a lifter, when in fact he is not an engine builder either.

Oso has become land of the guys who dont own an offshore boat, let alone any boat, guys who have non running engines, etc. Guys who claim success where there has been none, and love to talk behind the scenes about what they think they know. Most of these guys, are dead silent when it comes to talking about rigging boats, propping boats, setting up x dimensions, tuning, , and so on. But they are always there trolling to discredit others info, when their little light bulb goes off. Reversion! Yes!! Straub! Yes !

Full Force 11-19-2015 07:09 AM

Life is full of ups and downs, learning, making mistakes and everything inbetween.... not one person is perfect, and normally the guys acting as if they are, are the ones to watch out for, they will take you for every cent, and make the person feel stupid and misguide what's really needed. Look what happened to Dale with the last engines.... I hope he makes better decisions and not learn the hard way again, I know I learned the hard way and it sucks, but to have guys tell you that you are an idiot sucks when you are just trying to do cool stuff and have fun... like 90% of the guys here.. then you have "those guys" would never want to be a part of that type of person, if belittling others makes them feel better then they are the actual problem..

I don't know it all, willing to learn and have had good success and bad success, even with the bad I would rather throw money away then give it to some of the crooks on this site....


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