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mike tkach 01-07-2016 08:49 PM

the cam bearings are not pressure lubed?

Black Baja 01-08-2016 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4391659)
the cam bearings are not pressure lubed?

No hole in the outer shell

horsepower1 01-08-2016 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4391659)
the cam bearings are not pressure lubed?

No.

horsepower1 01-08-2016 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4391437)
Absolutely no experience here, just round table thinking out loud talk.

The lifters and cam lobes are getting oiled right ? Of course...so, this could be plenty of oil getting to the cam bearing.

Back to 2 strokes and roller bearing connecting rod and cranks, remember, they are using 60:1 - 70:1 fuel:oil ratios now. This means the roller bearings are seeing 60 to 70 parts fuel to 1 part oil, and surviving. Also remember, this is all in crankcase 'windage mist' - no splash and no direct oiling. Fuel is a cleaner, not to mention the stergents in pump fuel and the dtergents in the oil itself. Yes, some of us older blowhards are modifying our oil systems to get back to old school 50:1 ratios with our 2 strokes, but this is more for piston protection. These are spinning 8000-10,000 crank rpm vs camshafts which in a 4 stroke the cam spins 1/2 crank speed.

The only roller crank bearing failures in 2 trokes are usually because they are not large enough for the forces they see. In these applications, when larger bearings are used, problems go away. Anyone tell that I'm a Polaris guy ? Hah !

Ending my out loud thinking, I would call Dart. Your worry may become a non worry....Hopefully. LOL.

Think about the atmosphere inside a running engine's crank case with all the oil being thrown off the crank and rods. The bottom of the cam tunnel is open to the crank case and as you said, there is a lot of oil coming off the lifters as well. There is plenty of oil for the roller cam bearings. They don't function on a pressurized wedge of oil like a babbitt bearing.

BenPerfected 01-08-2016 01:38 PM

We have been using the roller cam bearings for years. No issues but not likely worth but a few HP.

mike tkach 01-08-2016 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4391705)
No hole in the outer shell

would there be any harm in drilling a very small hole in it?

sutphen 30 01-09-2016 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4391911)
would there be any harm in drilling a very small hole in it?

that cage is hardened,,more like edm or grind a hole.

sutphen 30 01-09-2016 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by BenPerfected (Post 4391848)
We have been using the roller cam bearings for years. No issues but not likely worth but a few HP.

yeah,I wouldn't go out of my way to put them in.built a whole lot of 1000-1200hp whipple motors that use the convention cam bearing set up.

horsepower1 01-09-2016 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4391911)
would there be any harm in drilling a very small hole in it?

Probably ruin the bearing. Besides, there's no need.

ezstriper 01-09-2016 04:57 PM

so is the blocks oiling changed for this then ? I know std block does lube cam/lifters/rockers...


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