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MILD THUNDER 01-05-2016 05:24 PM

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Thought maybe you LS guys would like this build. This one here in the article is a great piece, but they've took it even further now. New setup is the 4.5L whipple. On race fuel 1450hp. They also have a pump gas setup, and pump gas with water/meth setup they are playing with. Granted, not a "marine build", but, either way, cool build.

http://www.enginelabs.com/news/video...-ls-next-block

14 apache 01-05-2016 05:29 PM

Looks like a nice package.

Flightplan 01-05-2016 05:53 PM

It needs a few more pulleys.

Rookie 01-05-2016 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4391001)
Granted, not a "marine build", but, either way, cool build.

Don't worry, I'll put the brass freeze plugs in...

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"engine is about 10.25:1. We overbuilt the engine – it’s capable of handling up to 30 pounds of boost" :eek:

Young Performance 01-05-2016 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4391031)
Don't worry, I'll put the brass freeze plugs in...

That's the only difference right??? lol

Young Performance 01-05-2016 07:50 PM

I was involved with a local drag race shop building a 427 LS about a year ago. I sold them the 4L Whipple and helped get it built and tuned. It made just over 1000 hp on 93 octane. Never did a race gas tune. I wish we would have as I would have loved to see what it could do on some good gas. All in all, it was a cool piece that made great power.
Eddie

Mr Maine 01-05-2016 08:37 PM

Also, a little bit of chrome would have dressed it up a bit....talk about plain jane....haha

MILD THUNDER 01-05-2016 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Maine (Post 4391058)
Also, a little bit of chrome would have dressed it up a bit....talk about plain jane....haha

I wish someone would talk gates into ditching that green color on their heavy duty belts.

Rookie 01-05-2016 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4391061)
I wish someone would talk gates into ditching that green color on their heavy duty belts.

One of my girlfriends is in sales at Gates. I'll have her put that in the suggestion box.

Rookie 01-05-2016 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 4391046)
That's the only difference right??? lol

I read it on the internet so it has to be true. lol

mike tkach 01-05-2016 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4391001)
Thought maybe you LS guys would like this build. This one here in the article is a great piece, but they've took it even further now. New setup is the 4.5L whipple. On race fuel 1450hp. They also have a pump gas setup, and pump gas with water/meth setup they are playing with. Granted, not a "marine build", but, either way, cool build.

http://www.enginelabs.com/news/video...-ls-next-block

to put things in perspective,this engine was built for a customer at a cost of 42,000.00.

corey331 01-06-2016 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4391093)
to put things in perspective,this engine was built for a customer at a cost of 42,000.00.

What would it cost to have a big block built in that same power range? I seriously have no idea as its all out of my price range, but I would think it would be about the same right?

ezstriper 01-06-2016 06:58 AM

pretty cool..and $$$$ here's a pic of my 1200hp street LS, 370ci using stock intake and exhaust manifolds, 25psi on E85...not pretty like this one...but with hood on....
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...ps6696fc11.jpg

mike tkach 01-06-2016 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by corey331 (Post 4391127)
What would it cost to have a big block built in that same power range? I seriously have no idea as its all out of my price range, but I would think it would be about the same right?

i would think a big block build of that caliber would cost pretty close to that price.high end parts are not cheep.i spent some crazy money when i built my 588s.

mike tkach 01-06-2016 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4391138)
pretty cool..and $$$$ here's a pic of my 1200hp street LS, 370ci using stock intake and exhaust manifolds, 25psi on E85...not pretty like this one...but with hood on....
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...ps6696fc11.jpg

that is 3.24 hp per cubic inch,very impressive.

Young Performance 01-06-2016 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by corey331 (Post 4391127)
What would it cost to have a big block built in that same power range? I seriously have no idea as its all out of my price range, but I would think it would be about the same right?

It is about the same amount whether you build a BBC or an LS of the same power level.
Eddie

Wildman_grafix 01-07-2016 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 4391403)
It is about the same amount whether you build a BBC or an LS of the same power level.
Eddie

What would be the pros/cons of each motor?

Efficiency, better valve train geometry? Etc.

Young Performance 01-07-2016 12:21 PM

The LS is smaller and more compact. It also weighs less. However, it doesn't make the torque that a BBC does. It's not that much less, but less none the less. It's different., I guess, is the big draw. At least for the marine side. The automotive guys have embraced it like nothing else in history. The LS's are a great choice for a smaller single engine boat, or maybe a 28-30 twin that would normally have small blocks. It can take the place of a BBC, but it would have to be built pretty tough. The availability of parts isn't what it is for a BB. That's why the cost is roughly the same. As more manufactures come out with new parts for the marine side, the pricing will come down. It's still a viable option for just about anything other than a HUGE boat that wants/needs a ton of power.
Eddie

donzi matt 01-07-2016 01:37 PM

Looks like an aluminum block also, that thing must be plenty light compared to a BBC. I am curious how well the aluminum block does with deflection at that power level compared to an iron block.

Young Performance 01-07-2016 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4391001)
Thought maybe you LS guys would like this build. This one here in the article is a great piece, but they've took it even further now. New setup is the 4.5L whipple. On race fuel 1450hp. They also have a pump gas setup, and pump gas with water/meth setup they are playing with. Granted, not a "marine build", but, either way, cool build.

http://www.enginelabs.com/news/video...-ls-next-block

I didn't read the article so maybe this was stated in it, but is that front accessory drive from Wegner? That's what we used. Looks the same. They have got it all figured out to work with a Whipple.

ezstriper 01-07-2016 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by donzi matt (Post 4391547)
Looks like an aluminum block also, that thing must be plenty light compared to a BBC. I am curious how well the aluminum block does with deflection at that power level compared to an iron block.

using high boost, 20psi and over not sure about the aluminum, recommend the iron block, and we run those 1/2 filled to keep the cylinder walls from loosing roundness under boost. I never realized this until taking at length to weisco, they said done lots of test and showed cyl walls not staying round, even with the iron blocks, so we do this to keep ring seal...did not effect running temps or iol temps with the E85

sutphen 30 01-07-2016 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 4391548)
I didn't read the article so maybe this was stated in it, but is that front accessory drive from Wegner? That's what we used. Looks the same. They have got it all figured out to work with a Whipple.

whats that drive setup cost?

Young Performance 01-07-2016 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4391619)
whats that drive setup cost?

A little over 3K with everything. It's all really good parts like a Powermaster alternator, OE p/s pump and water pump, Sanden A/C compressor, all the billet brackets and pulleys, hardware, Gates belt, etc. It is well worth the money. It is designed to work with the Whipple and uses a common belt to drive the blower.
Eddie


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