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Panther 02-19-2016 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4406000)
Panther your PM box is full.

Thanks for the input in your PM

I just cleared it out. Sorry, it's been a while.

kvogt 02-19-2016 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed (Post 4406003)
I would bet the lifters were bleeding down as a result of the new cam profile. On the motors I wrote about earlier that broke the rockers, etc. That customer originally purchased all hi top end components from MK, and it came with the standard morel 4603 lifters. They were doing the same thing on the dyno. They would bleed down, boost would go up, (cam essentially lost a ton of lift) and the motor would lay over. We swapped in the high revs, and the power picked up everywhere, even low end torque. Boost was still a bit high for the power, but not terrible. Unfortunately, those 4603 were acting like shock absorbers, when we put the high revs in, it transferred it all to the top end resulting in broken rockers, and eventually killing a couple of the high rev lifters too.


Thanks

Its really the only explanation that makes sense.

horsepower1 02-19-2016 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed (Post 4406003)
I would bet the lifters were bleeding down as a result of the new cam profile. On the motors I wrote about earlier that broke the rockers, etc. That customer originally purchased all hi top end components from MK, and it came with the standard morel 4603 lifters. They were doing the same thing on the dyno. They would bleed down, boost would go up, (cam essentially lost a ton of lift) and the motor would lay over. We swapped in the high revs, and the power picked up everywhere, even low end torque. Boost was still a bit high for the power, but not terrible. Unfortunately, those 4603 were acting like shock absorbers, when we put the high revs in, it transferred it all to the top end resulting in broken rockers, and eventually killing a couple of the high rev lifters too.

I've run the you-know-what out of the 4603's and never, ever had one bleed down. Blower motors, strip motors, well over 200# seat pressure and 7000rpm. Blown motor ran 6700 and made 853...489 pump gas motor w/871. I had a customer inadvertently run AFR solid roller springs for quite a few hours on a set of 4603's. They are a Pac 1224 and almost 300 on the seat. He said the motors never knew the difference. Not saying yours didn't do what you said they did, just saying...wow...!!

JRider 02-19-2016 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4405925)
Build specs? that's a huge number for that CI...? curious to see what it was..

1050 4150 quick fuel, matched Dart single plane, Jim Valako ported Dart heads, Solid Roller 255/265 650 or so lift, foggy on the compression but I know it was high for Marine use and was dynod with lightning headers. Motor would wind but had very little torque.

HaxbySpeed 02-19-2016 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4406041)
I've run the you-know-what out of the 4603's and never, ever had one bleed down. Blower motors, strip motors, well over 200# seat pressure and 7000rpm. Blown motor ran 6700 and made 853...489 pump gas motor w/871. I had a customer inadvertently run AFR solid roller springs for quite a few hours on a set of 4603's. They are a Pac 1224 and almost 300 on the seat. He said the motors never knew the difference. Not saying yours didn't do what you said they did, just saying...wow...!!

No kidding. Just before that build, I did a procharged 540 with the 4603's that made 1100hp at 6100rpm, no issues.

Black Baja 02-19-2016 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed (Post 4406056)
No kidding. Just before that build, I did a procharged 540 with the 4603's that made 1100hp at 6100rpm, no issues.

Have you had any trouble with the large core solid roller stuff?

14 apache 02-19-2016 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4406060)
Have you had any trouble with the large core solid roller stuff?

Like 55MM and Jesel .937 lifter stuff. Just wanted to add that.

HaxbySpeed 02-19-2016 01:36 PM

Yes, large core solid and hydraulic. Give me a call if you want details, no need to keep flogging the horse here. 604-315-0570

HaxbySpeed 02-19-2016 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4406067)
Like 55MM and Jesel .937 lifter stuff. Just wanted to add that.

60mm and .937

Black Baja 02-19-2016 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed (Post 4406071)
Yes, large core solid and hydraulic. Give me a call if you want details, no need to keep flogging the horse here. 604-315-0570

Wasn't about getting the whip out. Just thought you might have some insight on what you did to remedy the instability. I'm kinda in left field at this point cause I don't know anyone running larger core/ lifters in these marine engines. For myself and other readers just like to know where to turn to make it work. It's not like there are any 55/60mm shelf cams.


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