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Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4408601)
8620 is commonly used. If you wanna step up to the big boy flat tappet stuff it's Tool steel cams and lifters.
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Ran a 242/248 - 644/648 111 lsa 496's. Custom hyd roller grinds from comp with a pretty aggressive lobe design. Ended up with some valvetrain issues we diagnosed on the dyno. Without the dyno we wouldn't have caught it. Combination between recommended springs and roller lifters. I didn't spend much time chasing the problem before swapping to solid lifters and springs resulting in a tighter valve lash. Installed cams 4 deg advanced. Peak power 5,800.
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4408630)
probibally good for nascar or classes that don,t allow roller lifters but i bet not to many in muscle cars.
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Originally Posted by getrdunn
(Post 4408634)
Ran a 242/248 - 644/648 111 lsa 496's. Custom hyd roller grinds from comp with a pretty aggressive lobe design. Ended up with some valvetrain issues we diagnosed on the dyno. Without the dyno we wouldn't have caught it. Combination between recommended springs and roller lifters. I didn't spend much time chasing the problem before swapping to solid lifters and springs resulting in a tighter valve lash. Installed cams 4 deg advanced. Peak power 5,800.
Aside from the issues you found on the dyno, was there much power difference? |
I thought it was cool hearing the completely different sound of the two different cams I used in these engines over the years. Both setups had the same docking mannerism's. Neither surge (I don't like surge, I tune it out), stall, fart, hickup etc. but the new one is a few mph faster than the old.
1st was with the old solid roller. 92.3 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/nV0Kh-lk4Bw 2nd was with the hydralic roller, 95.4 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/EeOna_qS7Fg |
Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 4408712)
I thought it was cool hearing the completely different sound of the two different cams I used in these engines over the years. Both setups had the same docking mannerism's. Neither surge (I don't like surge, I tune it out), stall, fart, hickup etc. but the new one is a few mph faster than the old.
1st was with the old solid roller. 92.3 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/nV0Kh-lk4Bw 2nd was with the hydralic roller, 95.4 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/EeOna_qS7Fg |
Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 4408712)
I thought it was cool hearing the completely different sound of the two different cams I used in these engines over the years. Both setups had the same docking mannerism's. Neither surge (I don't like surge, I tune it out), stall, fart, hickup etc. but the new one is a few mph faster than the old.
1st was with the old solid roller. 92.3 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/nV0Kh-lk4Bw 2nd was with the hydralic roller, 95.4 mph GPS. https://youtu.be/EeOna_qS7Fg |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4408714)
What were the specs on the two cams ?
One of the biggest differences I felt in the boat was being able to feel that there was much more torque from 3500 on up. The old cams pulled these props to 5700 and the new cams are pulling to 5900 with the same props. |
Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4408719)
Sounds like different firing order.
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Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 4408726)
I believe I posted them earlier in this thread or on another thread that you commented on. However, they have similar duration specs when you account for solid vs. hydraulic with the biggest differences being 2* more lobe separation on the new cam and a bit more lift and LS firing order which was all part of the plan when putting the package together. Could have run a bigger solid cam and I'm sure it would have been the same, perhaps even more but I got sick and tired of lashing valves every season because my engines are on 32 1/2" centers.
One of the biggest differences I felt in the boat was being able to feel that there was much more torque from 3500 on up. The old cams pulled these props to 5700 and the new cams are pulling to 5900 with the same props. If i remember the solid roller you had was pretty mild. It sounds like you certainly making more power now obviosuly. 3mph gain in a 36 apache from a cam swap if similar cams, is huge. Did you dyno them ? |
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