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fbc25el 02-15-2017 08:03 AM

I have AFR315 heads. The part # for there stud girdle is 6210.

Panther 02-15-2017 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4529246)
What valve cobvers you run?

I run the Websters also, with B&B/Stef's style valve covers. They're pretty standard covers that everyone sells. Zero clearance issues. When you install them you need to slided them up and down to find the centers where the studs line up perfectly and don't pinch. Pretty easy to do, just take care when lining them up so they're no too low or too high on the poly locks.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]564812[/ATTACH]
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F-2 Speedy 02-15-2017 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4529246)
What valve cobvers you run?

Im going to order these, doing some mill work on them, and powder coat them, I ran these on my 540's, look very similar to what Panther posted

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262449772294...84.m1436.l2649

Im also running CMI sweepers and the angle of the VC makes for good header clearance

Full Force 02-15-2017 08:41 AM

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I have imco covers they should clear I would think, I will look at the Webster girdles, they look much nicer then afr girdles..
[ATTACH=CONFIG]564816[/ATTACH]

ezstriper 02-15-2017 02:04 PM

I bought a comp one a while back, fit like crap, not sure the issue,was on dart conv. heads, bought a couple sets of the cheap ones on ebay and both worked great so ??

Panther 02-15-2017 03:41 PM

It was asked when are the girdles needed or used.

My general answer to that has always been rpm and lift dependent. 5600 and under with less than .640 lift, I don't think it's critical (nice to have though). Once you reach the 6k rpm range or higher lift and spring pressures, I think it really helps to keeping things solid. Especially with a solid roller setup.

Just my general opinion but every build is different.

Full Force 02-15-2017 03:59 PM

I saw the AFR one, seems the Websters are nicer and bigger... hmm


Originally Posted by fbc25el (Post 4529253)
I have AFR315 heads. The part # for there stud girdle is 6210.


getrdunn 02-15-2017 04:30 PM

So this is what I would consider to buy what fits best rather than a particular brand. Another words just cause they have a good name and expensive doesn't mean chit. Just curious what engines merc uses them on.

So no clearance issues with Hardin marine style valve covers? I've always thought how much girdles must stabilize valvetrain and need for new SR SC builds.

MILD THUNDER 02-15-2017 04:44 PM

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Im running the comp cams/rhs girdles on my Engine Quest heads.

getrdunn 02-15-2017 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4529387)
I bought a comp one a while back, fit like crap, not sure the issue,was on dart conv. heads, bought a couple sets of the cheap ones on ebay and both worked great so ??

The ones on eBay you referring to red and same.basic style as the Websters or what ever ones panther posted pic of.

getrdunn 02-15-2017 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4529422)
Im running the comp cams/rhs girdles on my Engine Quest heads.

Those fit like a glove on the EQ's

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SzD_LZ3fM-s

Did a quick search on valvetrain videos while engine running and not much came up. I'd love to see a video.

Full Force 02-15-2017 06:46 PM

454AFRV2 is the part number for 2 gen AFR heads, just ordered 2...

I'CE 02-15-2017 07:54 PM

https://youtu.be/_REQ1PUM0rY here is an old video, gives an idea

getrdunn 02-15-2017 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by I'CE (Post 4529480)
https://youtu.be/_REQ1PUM0rY here is an old video, gives an idea

Funny I just posted this same one in a thread and now see you beat me to it. Oh well. The more it gets seen the better.

adk61 02-18-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bawana (Post 4421016)
Looking to add stud girdles when I install my spring oilers, Wondering what you guys have used, that fit good with no binding. I talked to Brodix and they say the only ones to use are the two piece ones they and Bo Laws make. I really don't like the way those tighten to the polylocks, and I would think having a single plate would be better. They insist that the one piece girdles will not fit correct and pull or push on the studs and put undo stress on them.

The old Mec 1000SC had one piece girdles on them, and if memory serves me right, I think they used Crane?? I have never had a stud break since changing to the best ARP studs, but since I am going to add the oilers, I figured I would add girdles too. I know shaft rocker setups are better, but I am not wanting to pull all the motors to do that and the cost of the good ones times three does not appeal to me.

I have Jomar girdles for that application...[ATTACH=CONFIG]564874[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]564875[/ATTACH] they sell for 329.00 per set and come complete with polylocks as seen

adk61 02-18-2017 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4421288)
the reason for useing a stud girdle is to support the studs in an attempt to stabilize the valve train.if you install a girdle that is designed for a different valve angle it will try to bend the rocker stud.we all know what happens when you attempt to bend a hardened stud,it is just a matter of time before it fails.

that would be secondary in my concern.. what actually happens is that the girdle pulls the stud just far enough out of true alignment with the valve and you end up wiping out a set of guides in no time or worse if you don't catch it in time... proper valvetrain geometry is KEY to maintaining life and performance JMHO

ezstriper 02-18-2017 12:18 PM

this is one I have used twice, and as far as when needed, after talking to Bob M. at length I thinking starting at a 500hp would not be a bad idea..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROFORM-Big-...FXroAR&vxp=mtr

getrdunn 02-19-2017 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4530284)
this is one I have used twice, and as far as when needed, after talking to Bob M. at length I thinking starting at a 500hp would not be a bad idea..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROFORM-Big-...FXroAR&vxp=mtr

You know by chance if they are same stud angle as the jomars. About half the price and look near identacle but just don't wanna have any alignment problems. Going on promaxx

ezstriper 02-20-2017 06:27 AM

I do not, but the fit perfect on std GM iron heads(running now) and used a set on std Darts a while back, both worked fine, now the adjuster nuts wont work on crane gold rockers without grinding, or getting thinner wall ones.

adk61 02-20-2017 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4530705)
I do not, but the fit perfect on std GM iron heads(running now) and used a set on std Darts a while back, both worked fine, now the adjuster nuts wont work on crane gold rockers without grinding, or getting thinner wall ones.

I DO NOT recommend grinding the nuts... it weakens their binding efficiency

adk61 02-20-2017 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 4530273)
I have Jomar girdles for that application...[ATTACH=CONFIG]564874[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]564875[/ATTACH] they sell for 329.00 per set and come complete with polylocks as seen

these are designed to fit the narrow rockers...

getrdunn 02-20-2017 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4530705)
I do not, but the fit perfect on std GM iron heads(running now) and used a set on std Darts a while back, both worked fine, now the adjuster nuts wont work on crane gold rockers without grinding, or getting thinner wall ones.

Kinda sucks I had two sets of crane golds ready to go. I've gotta look into those rockers rookie was talking about. I kinda figured I might have some issues with the crane rockers and girdle fitment unless I used crane girdles.

F-2 Speedy 02-27-2017 07:03 PM

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These guys make nice stuff

Full Force 02-27-2017 08:56 PM

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They sure do...!! very nice product..
[ATTACH=CONFIG]565140[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]565141[/ATTACH]

Mohavvalley 02-01-2019 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4421259)
something to consider. When ordering a set of girdles, make sure to ask what size base the included polylocks have. Some are .550, some are .600. You want them to match the rockers you are running. If you order a set that comes with .550 locks, and need .600 locks, the locks themselves are kinda pricey.

MT can you elaborate on this more, what exactly are we measuring to verify this?

When running these you put the regular poly locks on then the extended poly locks that go through the girdle go on top OR the extended poly locks replace the original poly locks?

F-2 Speedy 02-01-2019 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Mohavvalley (Post 4670715)
MT can you elaborate on this more, what exactly are we measuring to verify this?

When running these you put the regular poly locks on then the extended poly locks that go through the girdle go on top OR the extended poly locks replace the original poly locks?

most if not all girdle sets come with the long poly locks, ( two different lengths for intake and exhaust ) discard the old ones

NautiSouth 07-11-2019 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4530284)
this is one I have used twice, and as far as when needed, after talking to Bob M. at length I thinking starting at a 500hp would not be a bad idea..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROFORM-Big-...FXroAR&vxp=mtr

Horsepower is a poor metric to use to decide whether or not you need a stud girdle. Valvetrain loads are not a strong function of horsepower. The better metric to use would be RPM, modulated by how "aggressive" the cam profiles are. I should come up with my own recommendation and share it with the board. I'll need to do some analysis for that.

adk61 07-11-2019 11:16 AM

many variables here, cam profile, length of valve/pushrod/geometry... the farther off the pedestal the rocker sits, the more deflection the stud sees at rpm, sometimes this is just where it needs to be for the working mechanism to be "happy" thus it becomes fundamental for the use of a girdle, or better yet a shaft rocker system if budget allows.
just my $.002

MILD THUNDER 07-11-2019 11:25 AM

I measured deflection of the stud , just rolling the engine over by hand against spring pressure, it was eye opening. Now imagine the exhaust valve, that not only has to overcome spring pressure, but also has to overcome extremely high cylinder pressure to open.

NautiSouth 07-11-2019 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 4696157)
many variables here, cam profile, length of valve/pushrod/geometry... the farther off the pedestal the rocker sits, the more deflection the stud sees at rpm, sometimes this is just where it needs to be for the working mechanism to be "happy" thus it becomes fundamental for the use of a girdle, or better yet a shaft rocker system if budget allows.
just my $.002

I totally agree that a shaft rocker system is the way to go, But someone should quantify just how much better it is versus a stud girdle. Maybe I could perform that FEA one day to see how effective stud girdles are, then follow that up with a dynamic analysis of its effect on valve motion. It sure would be interesting.

F-2 Speedy 07-11-2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4696159)
I measured deflection of the stud , just rolling the engine over by hand against spring pressure, it was eye opening. Now imagine the exhaust valve, that not only has to overcome spring pressure, but also has to overcome extremely high cylinder pressure to open.

Brad Smith told me a story years ago, had a big cube small bock dyno'd without girdles and then with, the engine picked up 20hp with the girdles, said if he hadn't seen it with own eye's he wouldn't believe it.

ThisIsLivin 07-12-2019 08:01 AM

After spending $15k on a motor, a couple hundy on a stud girdle helps me sleep at night.


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