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Originally Posted by Budman II
(Post 4428123)
Hmmm, would we be better off going back to carb setups? :evilb:
A lot of us would probably toss and turn all night long if we truly knew what was really going on inside our engines. Nonetheless, excellent technical investigative work. |
I used to do injector development for Bosch. We garunteed to OEMs +- 3%. Densos with machined main bodies were the best at +-2%. The dynamic measurements were at a 2.5ms on time over a 10ms period.
Static flow rates are determined mostly by the orifice plate. Which could potentially erode over time. But boats get so few hours relative to cars. The biggest issue I could see is that needle is harder than the seat and it usually wears a nice hard sealing surface for itself over time. This could also make the needle harder to lift off the seat and it would show up as higher variation in the dynamic flow readings. I'm not surprised the Chinese ones are junk. There's so many places to go wrong in the manufacturing. Commenter above is correct, the strength of the magnetic circuit is important. At Bosch our injectors were matched for flow at the dynamic rate during manufacturing by measuring flow as the needle spring force is set. We also experienced variation from machine to machine, making measuring anything less than +-1% impossible. We always tested statistically significant samples of 30, and used statistical analysis. I'm surprised by how bad your findings are. I would suggest trying to control for the temperatures of your electrical components like drivers etc. |
I'd suggest devising a test to determine your machines repeatability. Unfortunately this can be impossible to discern from a single parts test to test variability! At certain speeds I could watch an injector needle just spin around and around!
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We test fuel systems mostly with viscor. It's essentially diesel fuel with an additive package to reduce flammability. I don't think it should be difficult to get.
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I know some of OEM's say 7 % or less (some say 4 % or less as well in regards being in spec but alot of used injectors seem to be 10 % or even more off when flow testing. Also alot of times its not wise to mix new injectors with used injectors even from the exact same OEM. It might surprise you how much different the volume of flow comparing new vs old injectors can be.
Bosch has alot of equipment to test injectors plus all the R &D to do so - way more than anyone of our budgets can even think about. Post #13 - I like the first sentence and totally agree. |
Originally Posted by Budman II
(Post 4428123)
Hmmm, would we be better off going back to carb setups? :evilb:
A lot of us would probably toss and turn all night long if we truly knew what was really going on inside our engines. Nonetheless, excellent technical investigative work. |
If you are worried about injectors have them checked out or buy from this company - one of the top rated injectors in the world - they teamed up with Bosch. Look at how they test injectors and so forth. I have sat in on anything they have for seminars in the past years. If you think you know alot about fuel injectors and fuel injection this place knows more about it than most ever could in a lifetime.
http://injectordynamics.com/company-overview/ |
Originally Posted by BUP
(Post 4428195)
If you are worried about injectors have them checked out or buy from this company - one of the top rated injectors in the world - they teamed up with Bosch. Look at how they test injectors and so forth. I have sat in on anything they have for seminars in the past years. If you think you know alot about of fuel injectors and fuel injection this place knows more about it than most ever could in a lifetime.
http://injectordynamics.com/company-overview/ These other wanna be, 6 hand, know nothing purchasing from China toy factories ought to pay the ultimate price. When you have safety nets outside your factory cause so many are being worked to death 24/7 for food and housing I can imagine Quality is sacrificed. That's terrible what many are going through. |
Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4428154)
I'd suggest devising a test to determine your machines repeatability. Unfortunately this can be impossible to discern from a single parts test to test variability! At certain speeds I could watch an injector needle just spin around and around!
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Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4428154)
I'd suggest devising a test to determine your machines repeatability. Unfortunately this can be impossible to discern from a single parts test to test variability! At certain speeds I could watch an injector needle just spin around and around!
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