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professor 06-27-2016 07:09 PM

anyone ever have a sound like this ?
 
I know the one sound you can hear an exhaust leak but the " non symmetrical " Ting ----ting ting, I can't seem to figure it out. i had the valve covers off and looked for a broken spring thinking it might be a valve hitting the piston . the boat runs good and doesn't miss or back fire or pop any ideas ?


https://youtu.be/C8RT0lx3grQ

Mseuro 06-27-2016 07:49 PM

Is the sound on top of the motor or outside near exhaust? We know it's not low.

Mseuro 06-27-2016 07:50 PM

Don't think it's a valve hitting a piston .

Baja Rooster 06-27-2016 07:51 PM

The internal flaps on my Hardin tips sounded like that even though they're rubber.

SB 06-27-2016 07:58 PM

If not ^^^ exhaist internal flaps or muffler baffles then pull off rec pump belt and see if it's shot by grabing it's pulley and see if it moves up/down side to side

professor 06-27-2016 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Mseuro (Post 4453766)
Is the sound on top of the motor or outside near exhaust? We know it's not low.

its in the engine compartment just can't tell where ?

getrdunn 06-27-2016 08:25 PM

Maybe Some little China men in there clapping to the beat of a real engine. Go USA... Shut the hatch and blow dem nigas out of there. Ha

Mseuro 06-27-2016 08:50 PM

Use a stethoscope to help you locate noise.

sutphen 30 06-27-2016 08:54 PM

kinda sounds like an exhaust leak.

Baja Rooster 06-27-2016 09:11 PM

Fwiw, I pulled my internal flaps out and left the Salisbury flaps on just so that I could relax. It was killing my nerves before I ever left the dock.

offshoreneil 06-27-2016 10:18 PM

Sounds like a cracker fly wheel to me.

Mseuro 06-27-2016 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by offshoreneil (Post 4453858)
Sounds like a cracker fly wheel to me.

Is that different from negro flywheel?

Mseuro 06-27-2016 11:00 PM

Sorry couldn't resist

Griff 06-27-2016 11:53 PM

Sounds like internal exhaust tip flapper to me. Put your hand on the tailpipe hose near the transom.
Does it go away with some rpm?? Flapper noise will go away with with a few hundred more rpms.

Donziben 06-28-2016 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Mseuro (Post 4453865)
Is that different from negro flywheel?

Yes. Way different. Lol!

Budman II 06-28-2016 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Mseuro (Post 4453865)
Is that different from negro flywheel?

Negro flywheel would be a lot larger, right? ;)

My boat has developed what I would describe as a "chirp" coming from the exhaust, but it is a steady sound that seems to be in time with the firing order. Ran a compression test the other night and all were at around 180 - 185 psi. Some OSO'ers have said that it might be a loose baffle in the exhaust muffler. Planning to try some different muffled tips to see if it changes any. Good luck with yours.

BUP 06-28-2016 10:16 AM

stick broom handles up the transom exhaust to keep the internal flappers open while running the engine - this will rule in or out if thats your noise. Process of elimination the start of it

pull tips / mufflers shake the hell out of them by hand --- Noise ??? run engine however without the tips / mufflers installed ---- Noise ???

A real doctor stethoscope will find this noise in about 15 seconds. Use one all the time best tool to have for marine noises hands down.

ALL_IN! 06-28-2016 10:54 AM

Were you at Cumberland Thunder Run???

There was a boat in my fleet that had a chirp noise from exhaust. ...and somehow I got behind him at each stop. That chirping noise was driving me crazy!! LOL


Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4453993)
Negro flywheel would be a lot larger, right? ;)

My boat has developed what I would describe as a "chirp" coming from the exhaust, but it is a steady sound that seems to be in time with the firing order. Ran a compression test the other night and all were at around 180 - 185 psi. Some OSO'ers have said that it might be a loose baffle in the exhaust muffler. Planning to try some different muffled tips to see if it changes any. Good luck with yours.


Bill 3 06-28-2016 10:59 AM

My vote is an exhaust flapper. Does the noise change or go away with a little rpm?

professor 06-28-2016 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bill 3 (Post 4454015)
My vote is an exhaust flapper. Does the noise change or go away with a little rpm?

No not really , I took the recirculating pump / alternator belt off and it seemed to go away but the engine got louder (threw me off a bit) but I think the RPM's just went up because of the belt being off . So I think it's the alternator or the recirc pump and I will try eliminating the flappers as a possibility as well

BUP 06-28-2016 12:00 PM

my guess is a broken metal impeller piece inside of the WATER CIRC PUMP

Budman II 06-28-2016 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4454032)
my guess is a broken metal impeller piece inside of the WATER CIRC PUMP

I think BUP is hot on the trail. Was running a non-marine circ pump on my boat many years ago, and I started getting a weird noise from the front of the engine. When I pulled off the circ pump and took the back cover off, all that was left of the stamped steel impeller was a few little shards that were scraping the housing. Funny thing was that the boat wasn't running hot at all. The seawater pump moves enough water on its own that the circ pump is usually just along for the ride. Hell, I was probably saving a few HP not spinning the full impeller. :)

Budman II 06-28-2016 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by easyrider1340 (Post 4454013)
Were you at Cumberland Thunder Run???

There was a boat in my fleet that had a chirp noise from exhaust. ...and somehow I got behind him at each stop. That chirping noise was driving me crazy!! LOL

Nope, wasn't me - I was at Green River Lake this past weekend. I have a complete thread with a video somewhere on this forum. It makes a similar sound to what you hear coming from some of the high HP, high compression drag cars when they are idling at the starting line.

wannabe 06-28-2016 01:32 PM

Check your exhaust manifold gaskets.

professor 06-28-2016 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4454032)
my guess is a broken metal impeller piece inside of the WATER CIRC PUMP

Omg !!! I blew up an impeller on the trailer at the end of last season trying to winterize . It came apart because of a chip in the housing. I wasn't sure I got all the pieces out and it seemed to run a tad warm . WTF ...

BUP 06-28-2016 02:32 PM

It does not matter if the WATER CIRC PUMP front of the engine is a marine unit because alot people who never pull that hose to drain the water out completely when winterizing can end up cracking and or breaking off the METAL PORTION of the impeller inside the water circ pump. Have seen it plenty of times from improper winterization or owners who do not winterize. Also saltwater kills these pumps down the road.

I am NOT talking about the rubber impeller for inside a water pump impelling housing - I am talking about the water circ pump on the front side of the engine. It is called an IMPELLER AS well, it is metal.

BUP 06-28-2016 02:35 PM

this view pic -

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/att...vents-pump.jpg

BUP 06-28-2016 02:42 PM

found exactly what I was looking for - Mercruiser broken internal IMPELLER - the exact failures I see - pic below they make that exact sound clank a clank

http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/ballofs...28449fa739.jpg

SB 06-28-2016 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4454076)
I think BUP is hot on the trail. Was running a non-marine circ pump on my boat many years ago, and I started getting a weird noise from the front of the engine. When I pulled off the circ pump and took the back cover off, all that was left of the stamped steel impeller was a few little shards that were scraping the housing. Funny thing was that the boat wasn't running hot at all. The seawater pump moves enough water on its own that the circ pump is usually just along for the ride. Hell, I was probably saving a few HP not spinning the full impeller. :)

Post #5 :faint2::party-smiley-004:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ml#post4453774


Edit in: Oh, I get it. Same part, different issue. My bad.

Mseuro 06-28-2016 04:45 PM

[QUOTE=Budman II;4453993]Negro flywheel would be a lot larger, right? ;)

They are bigger from what people tell me, also they are cheaper to buy but much more expensive to own and performance is less than any other flywheel.

professor 06-28-2016 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4454108)
It does not matter if the WATER CIRC PUMP front of the engine is a marine unit because alot people who never pull that hose to drain the water out completely when winterizing can end up cracking and or breaking off the METAL PORTION of the impeller inside the water circ pump. Have seen it plenty of times from improper winterization or owners who do not winterize. Also saltwater kills these pumps down the road.

I am NOT talking about the rubber impeller for inside a water pump impelling housing - I am talking about the water circ pump on the front side of the engine. It is called an IMPELLER AS well, it is metal.


Ok I get what your saying now and actually hope your right, I winterize by taking out the thermostat and pump 6 gallons of pink stuff through the engine then i remove the cooling line on the power steering cooler and make sure its running pink. I can't pull the recirculating pump off until tomorrow so i ordered this http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13357...th-bypass.aspx (been wanting one anyway) They said it was plug and play , anyone know if there are taps for the temp sensors in the t-stat housings on these ?

Budman II 06-29-2016 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by professor (Post 4454194)
Ok I get what your saying now and actually hope your right, I winterize by taking out the thermostat and pump 6 gallons of pink stuff through the engine then i remove the cooling line on the power steering cooler and make sure its running pink. I can't pull the recirculating pump off until tomorrow so i ordered this http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13357...th-bypass.aspx (been wanting one anyway) They said it was plug and play , anyone know if there are taps for the temp sensors in the t-stat housings on these ?

Lots of people are running these, but a lot of them had to add water bypass valves and dumps for the extra water flow. These can also create headaches with hot spots on the heads, etc. Set up right they work well, and clean up the front of the engine. On a stock setup (no supercharger), I prefer to just run a circ pump myself. Do a search on this forum for those who have had issues with them. Probably much simpler to simply pull your circ pump and open it up to check it. There are several aftermarket companies that make replacement marine circ pumps, or you can probably find a good used one from someone who has installed one of the kits that you mentioned. ;)

SB 06-29-2016 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by professor (Post 4454194)
Ok I get what your saying now and actually hope your right, I winterize by taking out the thermostat and pump 6 gallons of pink stuff through the engine then i remove the cooling line on the power steering cooler and make sure its running pink. I can't pull the recirculating pump off until tomorrow so i ordered this http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13357...th-bypass.aspx (been wanting one anyway) They said it was plug and play , anyone know if there are taps for the temp sensors in the t-stat housings on these ?

You are going backwards by doing this and may present yourself with more issues. Oil temp, water psi, and the fact a lot of these the bypass puts too much cold water on back side of tstat and doesn't let it open.

Ck your recirc pump and if it needs replacing, replace it, and go enjoy the water.,

Budman II 06-29-2016 03:29 PM

^^^^ Sound advice right here from a guy who knows... ^^^^

professor 06-29-2016 09:33 PM

its too late
 

Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4454581)
^^^^ Sound advice right here from a guy who knows... ^^^^


Too late , this is the second re-circ pump that has given me issues , I think the pulleys were messed up causing the bearings to get wiped out, it looks like the pulley was rubbing the harmonic balancer pulley. As far as hot spots in the heads and the proper flow , I think running restricters instead of a thermostat may help some. I know a lot of guys running them that have never had a problem. I put a 110 amp1 wire alternator in while i was at the whole mess.

http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5v1srczb.jpg

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