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bigboat28 07-08-2016 10:59 AM

Better cam
 
Which would be the better cam for a 540-555 build? A lunati 245/250 duration and 629 lift 112 lsa or a 741 298/306 610/632 112 lsa. Which would make more torque and hp and live the longest?

MILD THUNDER 07-08-2016 04:29 PM

10:1 555ci, with Dart heads, my opinion, 741 cam is too small. Especially for a twin engine setup, going into a 28 pantera. That cam will not get you to your HP goal of 700.

If those were my only two options, I'd go with the Lunati.

bigboat28 07-08-2016 07:09 PM

What off the shelf cam would you suggest?

ROB FREEMAN 07-08-2016 10:09 PM

Exhaust is as big a factor as the others. ? Running dry to the tip. Ect

bigboat28 07-08-2016 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by ROB FREEMAN (Post 4457547)
Exhaust is as big a factor as the others. ? Running dry to the tip. Ect

Yes

Tinkerer 07-09-2016 07:31 AM

Call Bob Madera and have the cam build just for your needs.

Those cams are no where near big enough for that cube engine.

MILD THUNDER 07-09-2016 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by bigboat28 (Post 4457507)
What off the shelf cam would you suggest?

Twin engine 28FT vee bottom, twin 555ci , I certainly don't think you need "max low rpm grunt" short duration cam at the expense of upper RPM power. Now, if you had a 43 Scarab , things might be a little different.

Considering the 28 Pantera came available with a single HP500, I certainly dont think having say, 1200ftlbs of torque total, instead of 1300, is going to make the boat a slug accelerating from 50-90. Having 1400HP total, will certainly make a faster boat, than 1250hp total, in your case.

From what I recall, you have a 10:1, Dart 310 Pro 1 heads, Dart Single plane intakes, and looking for 700hp . i'd be looking at something like this myself. But I would call howards, and get it in billet with an iron gear . Assuming you are willing to spin the engine to 5800-6000 rpm wide open. If only 5500, than these would be a little big.

http://www.competitionproducts.com/H.../#.V4D9iKLLpwM

http://www.competitionproducts.com/H.../#.V4D_yKLLpwM

These numbers are based off what I have for Dart 310 Flow data, and what my cam software and simulation software trend towards, as well as the handful of similar engines I've been around the dyno with.

getrdunn 07-09-2016 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by bigboat28 (Post 4457365)
Which would be the better cam for a 540-555 build? A lunati 245/250 duration and 629 lift 112 lsa or a 741 298/306 610/632 112 lsa. Which would make more torque and hp and live the longest?

What heads are you going with?

bigboat28 07-09-2016 05:23 PM

310 dart pro ones

getrdunn 07-09-2016 05:27 PM

When u get a chance post your other components. intake, carb, heads, comp ratio etc.

bigboat28 07-09-2016 05:41 PM

Dart blocks, dart single plane intake, not sure on compression yet but possibly 10:1, hopefully lower though and Holley carb

getrdunn 07-09-2016 05:44 PM

Will the heads be ported and flowed? Out of the box they are questionable and need a little help. Don't get me wrong they are a fine head. I have them myself on 496's and will probably use them on my new 555's. There are a lot of off the shelf cams. Surprisingly howards has some pretty good choices over others. I'm looking at some 236/242-670/660 on a 112 that is similar cam valako is currently using in his 555 making 785 hp at 6,000.

bigboat28 07-09-2016 05:50 PM

I doubt head porting is in my budget.

getrdunn 07-09-2016 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by bigboat28 (Post 4457736)
I doubt head porting is in my budget.

I understand. Gellner Racing was pumping out 540's with your combo including out of the box 310 heads and a 244/248-640/648 on a 111. Pretty conservative package making a respectable 650 plus hp. If you'd like cam card pm me.

MILD THUNDER 07-10-2016 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4457735)
I'm looking at some 236/242-670/660 on a 112 that is similar cam valako is currently using in his 555 making 785 hp at 6,000.

If Jim V is making nearly 800HP at at 6000 from a 555ci, with a shorter cam than a 525 EFI cam, I need to get on his program. I've seen full CNC ported 572/598 combos, with a ton more cam, barely make that power.

sutphen 30 07-10-2016 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4457835)
If Jim V is making nearly 800HP at at 6000 from a 555ci, with a shorter cam than a 525 EFI cam, I need to get on his program. I've seen full CNC ported 572/598 combos, with a ton more cam, barely make that power.

I just want those guys to calibrate my dyno.:D

getrdunn 07-10-2016 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4457835)
If Jim V is making nearly 800HP at at 6000 from a 555ci, with a shorter cam than a 525 EFI cam, I need to get on his program. I've seen full CNC ported 572/598 combos, with a ton more cam, barely make that power.

Actually 565. My bad.

getrdunn 07-10-2016 01:58 PM

Tunnel ram with 4150 1000 cfm carbs

Full Force 07-10-2016 02:33 PM

Bob is not God, I learned that when my cams are horrible for my combo... 630 hp with a 540 and Afr heads with bobs cam... By far not impressive at all!


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4457598)
Call Bob Madera and have the cam build just for your needs.

Those cams are no where near big enough for that cube engine.


Full Force 07-10-2016 02:37 PM

Wow that's a smaller cam then mine and I'm over 100 hp off!


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4457735)
Will the heads be ported and flowed? Out of the box they are questionable and need a little help. Don't get me wrong they are a fine head. I have them myself on 496's and will probably use them on my new 555's. There are a lot of off the shelf cams. Surprisingly howards has some pretty good choices over others. I'm looking at some 236/242-670/660 on a 112 that is similar cam valako is currently using in his 555 making 785 hp at 6,000.


Full Force 07-10-2016 03:57 PM

Bob is not God, I learned that when my cams are horrible for my combo... 630 hp with a 540 and Afr heads with bobs cam... By far not impressive at all!


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4457598)
Call Bob Madera and have the cam build just for your needs.

Those cams are no where near big enough for that cube engine.


getrdunn 07-10-2016 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4457953)
Wow that's a smaller cam then mine and I'm over 100 hp off!

I didn't give valakos exact specs especially on the lift. Not really my place. But I will say he makes great power with shorter duration higher lift cams. It works very very well with his combo especially with his heads. Superior flowing heads don't necessarily like big cams. Just depends on what the application is for. You'll get yours figured out when time permits. I can understand your frustration. I've been there.

getrdunn 07-10-2016 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4457899)
I just want those guys to calibrate my dyno.:D

Tom Airharts dyno.

SB 07-10-2016 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4457735)
Surprisingly howards has some pretty good choices over others. I'm looking at some 236/242-670/660 on a 112 that is similar cam valako is currently using in his 565 making 785 hp at 6,000.


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4457953)
Wow that's a smaller cam then mine and I'm over 100 hp off!

Think about the differences in motors and cams for a few.

endeavour32 07-10-2016 09:40 PM

Jim's 27 non stepped Fountain does 98 mph, I think it's safe to say it's making the power Getrdunn claims.

Here is the video of Jim doing 98.

https://youtu.be/e_8c5tyH9VE

Full Force 07-10-2016 09:45 PM

15CI is 120 hp?


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4457990)
Think about the differences in motors and cams for a few.


MILD THUNDER 07-10-2016 10:31 PM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...-784-hp-2.html

Looks like it made its peak power at 5750. Id like to think the tunnel ram intake is helping it carry rpm a little too.

getrdunn 07-11-2016 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4458079)
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...-784-hp-2.html

Looks like it made its peak power at 5750. Id like to think the tunnel ram intake is helping it carry rpm a little too.


All nicely done under 6k with duration similar to 741 cam. Most wouldn't believe it but that's ok. I've been in it and along side of it. I'd like to have had that engine in my old original 28' single saber.


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