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goodboy 09-15-2016 11:32 PM

Aluminum heads
 
So...

A friends brother... Who knows this guy... Who has a friend... That builds marine engines... Says that I shouldn't use aluminum heads in my engine that I'm building....

I'm building a 383 for my boat. My desire is to use these heads https://m.summitracing.com/parts/drt-127211

My friend says he's a knowledgeable guy... And says his guy thinks aluminum heads will warp in a mercruiser engine...

It's a 21 foot boat...

It's a closed cooling system...

Thoughts?

Rattlesnake Jake 09-16-2016 04:34 AM

Tell him they were putting Aluminum Heads on Flathead Fords many, many years ago..:cool-smiley-011:

Bondo 09-16-2016 05:33 AM


And says his guy thinks aluminum heads will warp in a mercruiser engine...

It's a 21 foot boat...

It's a closed cooling system...
Ayuh,.... Many of Us are goin' to disagree with that guy,....

that's a Nice set of heads for a closed coolin' boat motor,....

SB 09-16-2016 06:53 AM

The SHP's are Dart's answer to the low buck chinese heads out there. Why are they cheaper ? Simple...old technology. IE: Old port and comb chamber designs from years back.

Both are a lower cost solution for those that want to be able to tell people they have aluminum heads on there engines, and again, staying away from Chinese castings.

That said, yes, better performance than standard cast iron heads...but, for a few dollars more, there is much better performance available. $1100-$1200 assembled for pair. Profiler, Brodix IK, and Trick Flow to name a few.

F-2 Speedy 09-16-2016 07:04 AM

Your friends- friend is warped

jponfrank 09-16-2016 07:05 AM

I have edelbrock aluminum heads on my 502,zero problems

fbc25el 09-16-2016 07:19 AM

300 hrs on AFR's no problem yet.

phragle 09-16-2016 07:34 AM

You need to tell your ex's cousin Jim Bob to put the crescent wrench down and back away from your motors.

Rattlesnake Jake 09-16-2016 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4481958)
You need to tell your ex's cousin Jim Bob to put the crescent wrench down and back away from your motors.

Along with the left handed screwdriver.

Baja Rooster 09-16-2016 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4481936)
The SHP's are Dart's answer to the low buck chinese heads out there. Why are they cheaper ? Simple...old technology. IE: Old port and comb chamber designs from years back.

Both are a lower cost solution for those that want to be able to tell people they have aluminum heads on there engines, and again, staying away from Chinese castings.

That said, yes, better performance than standard cast iron heads...but, for a few dollars more, there is much better performance available. $1100-$1200 assembled for pair. Profiler, Brodix IK, and Trick Flow to name a few.

In this case do you think that he'd be ok using assembled heads, or should he build/rebuild them from scratch like the rest of us have been doing?

gofastboater 09-16-2016 04:50 PM

With a closed cooling system any alum. head will be fine. It won't know if it is on a boat or car motor. As far as performance goes that will take a little research to get the best bang for the buck.

SB 09-16-2016 04:56 PM

Only thing that is aluminum that risks being warped or bent in a boat is beer cans. But, those usually get crushed.

noslo5o 09-16-2016 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4482144)
Only thing that is aluminum that risks being warped or bent in a boat is beer cans. But, those usually get crushed.

Lmao...!!!!

dereknkathy 09-16-2016 08:37 PM

i have seen a few alum props get some abuse...

phragle 09-16-2016 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by dereknkathy (Post 4482189)
i have seen a few alum props get some abuse...

Thats not abuse, its custom lab work by amateurs.......

goodboy 09-16-2016 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bondo (Post 4481919)
Ayuh,.... Many of Us are goin' to disagree with that guy,....

that's a Nice set of heads for a closed coolin' boat motor,....

thanxs... thats what I tought... i know bouat motors work hard but couldnt see any reason not to use them...

and yeah...I picked these heads because they should get me to my goal of 360hp and save me some weight. also want to pick my valves and springs so I went with bare heads.

goodboy 09-16-2016 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4481936)
The SHP's are Dart's answer to the low buck chinese heads out there. Why are they cheaper ? Simple...old technology. IE: Old port and comb chamber designs from years back.

Both are a lower cost solution for those that want to be able to tell people they have aluminum heads on there engines, and again, staying away from Chinese castings.

That said, yes, better performance than standard cast iron heads...but, for a few dollars more, there is much better performance available. $1100-$1200 assembled for pair. Profiler, Brodix IK, and Trick Flow to name a few.

Im not going to argue that they are not the best performing...but they are better than vortec heads...and there aluminum...at the cost they are the most affordable bare heads that arent Chinese.

I dont want aluminum heads for bragging rights... although I prolly will bragg about them haha... I want aluminum mostly for the weight savings. I have this dream that with aluminum parts my 383 wont weigh anymore than the 4.3 thats in there now... a dream that gets more unlikely as I add more and more forged shiny stuff to the engine haha

these heads should get me past 400hp at a later date... or more. I like the idea of having some good parts that I can use later down the road for another boat...truck...car or whatever. better heads will perform better I know but prolly put me past what my tiny littly alpha drive can handle lol

goodboy 09-16-2016 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4482019)
In this case do you think that he'd be ok using assembled heads, or should he build/rebuild them from scratch like the rest of us have been doing?

thats why I picked bare heads... I want to chose springs and valves and keepers... still trying to decide if I need to fork over the dough for inconel...

ROB FREEMAN 09-16-2016 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by goodboy (Post 4482204)
thanxs... thats what I tought... i know bouat motors work hard but couldnt see any reason not to use them...

and yeah...I picked these heads because they should get me to my goal of 360hp and save me some weight. also want to pick my valves and springs so I went with bare heads.

good for a little added compression also. Dissipate heat far better than cast. !!

picklenjim 09-16-2016 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by goodboy (Post 4482207)
. still trying to decide if I need to fork over the dough for inconel...

That would be a very good idea. Pretty much required in a high perf marine engine.

ezstriper 09-19-2016 08:30 AM

with closed cooling they will be fine...

ThisIsLivin 09-19-2016 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4482190)
Thats not abuse, its custom lab work by amateurs.......

I thought it was modern art. I have a brother-in-law that makes one everytime he goes out. I've seen some that I think he had to put it in reverse to go forward.


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