What sucks about this whole deal with quality and quality control is the prices continue to rise while quality goes down. I realize people in general want the very best product at a cheap price. I can't imagine the mark up on some of these engine and drive parts by the time it gets to the consumer. If you buy cheap parts and have issues you gotta admit you had it coming. Problem im seeing over last couple of years even the high dollar good guy parts are crap. I don't have a place for that. Its cheaper for companies to gamble and send out replacement parts rather than having spending a few more bucks especially on private labeling. I sometimes wonder what claims to be manufactured in USA however is over seas junk labeled and packaged in the US. Like a bad lifter that doesn't get caught during assembly. Sure they'll send you another at no charge but what about all your time and pride.

Also for what it's worth it almost seems as if over seas parts are actually getting better yet on the flip side USA is actuall getting worse. Not with everything but just some things I've noticed. It gets frustrating.

It would be interesting to know how much it cost to manufacture to build a set of 1,000 (retail) lifters.

Not sure that I want to stir up the pot. However, I actually just got back from PRI and spoke to Richard Iskendarian. He said maybe 3 or 4 hp at most. 30 is ridiculous! Now as I said I just got back so, I was pages behind in this thread. Rather than write a short essay on what Richard said it is pretty much covered in Mild Thunders engine lab attachment..........did you guys read it? Do you see the part about break in lube on the new bushed lifter? ISKY has a US pattern on this lifter. It is 100% US made. From what I am seeing it is very reliable. We live in a way differrent world in the marine application as opposed to the drag race world. The engines are run all day before being serviced not seconds. Bushed lifters have my vote.

Gotta love parts salesmen.

Believe what you want. It's your choice. But, if the bushed lifter is so bad why has Morel and COMP come out with their version? Think about when the roller is being stressed, pushed up and over the nose of the cam lobe. Clearly you can see where only a few of the needle bearings are carrying the bulk of the load. The same can be said for the bushing as far as only a portion of it carrying the load. However, with the bushing you will still be contacting far more surface area. Makes perfect sense to me, but yes I am a parts salesman and of course so is Richard Iskendarian to a small degree..........he is also a well educated engineer.

It's not about believing what I want. It's about believing what I've seen in actual testing. At this point YOU are the only one that is believing what you want. That makes no difference to me. The masses are blinded by the salesmen with the pitches. I get it. I never said one design was good or bad. Nor have I imposed my opinion on anyone. We run both types of lifters. Just depends on the application and the customer.

30hp does seem high to me. I would think if it takes almost 2hp to turn the roller, there would be a ton heat being produced. It sounds like you build and test a ton of motors though. What were the conditions of the 30hp loss? What weight oil, spring pressures, etc. What kind of dyno do you have at your shop? What's the name of your shop, just curious because it sounds like you build a lot of big power marine stuff so Ive probably heard of it, just didn't realize it was your business. I haven't seen losses like you mentioned, but haven't done true a to b test on it. All info is good. Thanks

"Blinded by the salesmen with the pitches". Beautiful. Are the enginelab articles a sales pitch. In my travels those articles are considered pretty reputable. So the definition of a horsepower I believe is the power to raise 550 pounds a distance of one foot in one second. Now I don't know exactly what that means in terms of human strength. But, if you take a lifter out of the box, hold it in one hand with 2 fingers and spin the roller with a finger on the other hand, which all of us are capable of doing what fraction of a horsepower is that? Times 16 what fraction of a horsepower? Seriously, how was your test conducted? Was it on the dyno the same day, same atmospheric conditions, same engine temperature? Did the first time you set the timing it came in a degree retarded from the last setting and "that was close enough". Maybe the lifters were tight in the bore. Therefore it was the lifter body causing a more drag and not the roller. That would make more sense than the drag of the roller. 30 horsepower is a big difference to lose from the roller resistance

Scratch that

Scratch what? I want to know.

Nothing to do with bushed vs bearing rollers