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AllDodge 01-01-2017 09:53 AM

It's a gen VI and with a 2 inch cooler

ctuck0659 01-01-2017 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by snapmorgan (Post 4514588)
I had the exact same thing happen to me. Built a new 540 with a new block and crank and used the stock 502 mag oil lines and cooler. After 30 hrs noticed some loss in oil pressure. Main bearings looked terrible. Polished the crank, put in some new bearings, upgraded the lines and cooler and now 5 years later it is still running with no issues. Lack of volume combined with high oil temps is not a good thing.

That's actually good to hear inasmuch as it may suggest a reason why this happened. But my question is still why wouldn't the bypass valve compensate for the lack of volume going through the lines?

sutphen 30 01-01-2017 09:59 AM

gotcha,I'd pull the bypass's,block the one in the pad,if motors out,,smooth the the transition in the rear caps passage and open and smooth out the passage where the oil pump bolts to.block the 2 oil passages on the side of the block,,thats truck stuff..and get a bigger cooler.

sutphen 30 01-01-2017 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by ctuck0659 (Post 4514725)
That's actually good to hear inasmuch as it may suggest a reason why this happened. But my question is still why wouldn't the bypass valve compensate for the lack of volume going through the lines?

because when you actuall look at how big the hole is thru it,its small,,its about .310'.thats why.no volume,,great for cars and trucks,,not for boats.

ctuck0659 01-01-2017 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4514496)
Im guessing this is a twin application, any problem with the other engine ?? or did you loose them both...........what does your engine builder say happened, like Mike said were all just guessing not seeing any of the parts.

Both went south, one showed a slow decline in oil pressure over the last couple of seasons, the other went from 50+ lbs underway (how much + depending on the oil temp) to a very rapid failure. The builder says it was oil starvation which I'm trying to figure out the cause of.

ctuck0659 01-01-2017 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4514729)
because when you actuall look at how big the hole is thru it,its small,,its about .310'.thats why.no volume,,great for cars and trucks,,not for boats.

OK, that's starting to make sense. Appreciate it. Sounds like most people block the bypass on the filter pad and remove the one in the return pipe correct?

Black Baja 01-01-2017 10:32 AM

What head gaskets were used on the motor in question? I have a pair of 540 Merlins that were built in 2000 they still have the original oil lines, filter pad, block adapter and cooler from the original 1993 502/390 that came in the boat originally. Oil temp never goes above 150. I think your oil temp problem is coming from somewhere else. Are the stock lines and cooler optimal? No. But they are not causing your high oil temp/ bearing issues. Need to know what part number head gaskets. And take a close look at the raw water system on the boat from the drive all the way to the exhaust.

ctuck0659 01-01-2017 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4514736)
What head gaskets were used on the motor in question? I have a pair of 540 Merlins that were built in 2000 they still have the original oil lines, filter pad, block adapter and cooler from the original 1993 502/390 that came in the boat originally. Oil temp never goes above 150. I think your oil temp problem is coming from somewhere else. Are the stock lines and cooler optimal? No. But they are not causing your high oil temp/ bearing issues. Need to know what part number head gaskets. And take a close look at the raw water system on the boat from the drive all the way to the exhaust.

Head gaskets are FelPro 17048. Closed cooling, runs 150ish normally, will run up to 170 for short time after a hard run. I don't think I have an oil temp problem since I upgraded the oil coolers shortly after I put the motors in service. 220 deg nominal and 260 after a WOT run shouldn't be a problem I don't think.

adk61 01-01-2017 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by ctuck0659 (Post 4514293)
Long story of course but here's a summary: I had a very reputable performance engine builder rebuild my 502 rotating assemblies into 540's with Scat 1-42500 kits in 2013. He of course tanked the engines, spec'ed all the clearances, line-bored the cranks etc. Installed high flow oil pumps. All bearings and every internal engine part that moves was replaced. This is not a case of shortcuts taken or a shabby rebuild so please don't go there. . Originally used the stock remote oil lines, filter housing and cooler. After break-in switched to synthetic 20W-50 and started noticing oil temp went to 300+ deg after a hard run. Immediately swapped stock coolers to Revolution 3.5X18" coolers and oil temps normally ran 220 deg, never went above 260. This past summer I started noticing some loss in oil pressure so I did some research and swapped out the 3/8" oil lines for 12-AN. About a month after that both engines started to increasingly lose more oil pressure when hot. By the end of the summer the pressure dropped to less than 10 lbs at idle when hot so I pulled the engines and not surprisingly found severe bearing damage consistent with oil starvation. So the obvious conclusion might be that running the small stock diameter oil lines restricted the flow and is the cause of the bearing failure at less than 100 hrs. EXCEPT: how do you explain that the bypass valves in the block oil filter mount should have opened and shunted the oil directly back into the motors when the pressure differential got too high in the lines?? I change my oil approximately every 20-25 hours so there's no way there should have been enough normal combustion byproduct garbage in the unfiltered oil to trash the bearings after 90 hours. If the smaller oil lines are the culprit that's my fault and I can live with that, but I can't see how that was the cause given the fact that the bypass valves are engineered into these engines for that very reason. What I can't live with is not understanding what happened so I can make sure I don't make the same mistake again. Any thoughts or insights are appreciated-

question for you..what is your system capacity? all this talk of temp, oil lines etc etc... no one asked the magic question, all the other things are relevant... but hi performance marine engines also need volume...

ctuck0659 01-01-2017 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by adk61 (Post 4514745)
question for you..what is your system capacity? all this talk of temp, oil lines etc etc... no one asked the magic question, all the other things are relevant... but hi performance marine engines also need volume...

12+ qts.


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