Another 525 rocker failure
 

Reading through all of the previous forums on this issue, I should have caught it sooner. Last time out, i started hearing some "tapping" coming from my 2008 525 motor with 260 hrs. Engine was surprisingly still running decent, but it did not sound right at idle. I pulled the valve cover to find one of the rocker's worn out and the needle bearings laying on top of the head. Looked just like the pictures posted on previous forums. Pulled the other cover and found one other rocker showing wear but it hadn't failed yet. Reading through the forums, I'm leaning toward the spring replacements with the Isky 8005a and the 10* retainer. Does anyone have the part number for the Scorpion rockers?

Id be very surprised if all those needle bearings stayed up top, you're pulling the heads to set installed height on new springs ?

Best bet is to call Eddie Young and he will put all the parts you will need together in a package. He has a very good list of tried and true part upgrades for the 525s. Agree with the above comment on the needle bearings, have you accounted for all the pieces?

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I found all pieces except for 3 needle bearings. the failed rocker was on the number 6 exhaust valve and all of the remaining pieces were in the back corner of the head. I'm assuming those 3 went down to the pan due to the location of the others and no other damage or symptoms noted.

Thanks for the info on Eddie. I will give him a call. Was hoping I could get away with changing those parts without removing the head.

Pull the oil filter and cut it open (with an oil filter cutter) to see if there are metal shavings in the oil. If you're lucky, those needle bearings just fell down through the lifter valley into the bottom of the pan and stayed there. You're still going to need to find them. You don't want those things floating around in the oil. As for springs, I agree with the choice of Isky 8005A and 10* degree retainers / locks with an installed height of 1.850. That is also Eddie's recommendation. I also believe Eddie recommends Harland Sharpe rockers but you should definitely give him a call; he's my go-to guy on anything 525 and usually get my parts from him.

The needle bearings will go right through an oil pump whether there is a screen on the pickup tube or not. Hopefully you can find them all so you don't have to tear it down further.

Thanks for the responses. Looks like I'm going searching for the 3 missing bearings. Unfortunately, I tossed the oil filter last week when when drained the oil. I was hoping once the bearings were in the pan there wouldn't be risk, but your posts have convinced me otherwise. On the oil drain hose, do you know if the attachment to the oil pan is magnetic? Draining the oil didn't reveal any of the bearings, but I doubted they would even find their way through the drain hose. Hoping to try a magnet in a couple more areas before I have to pull the engine out.

I personally would just pull the engine. Doing the heads with the engine out will be way easier (and I'd pull them and replace the head gaskets while out) and then you can pull the pan to account for the remaining needle bearings.

^^^^ this.

The new hose kits I just installed are not magnetic, those buggers could be anywhere.

Pull the engine, you will have a much easier time working on it and also able to check the entire set-up over. It sucks, its not what you planned but it could be a whole hell of a lot worse.

Just pull them. I am in the middle of it right now. One of the timing chain rollers came apart. VERY lucky I caught before I woke up the new Blowers!

On the positive side your 525 was due for too ends anyway... scorpion part number is scp4014bl. Those are the marine endurance versions.

Have you seen this happen ? I would think they would lock up the pump and shear the oil pump drive-shaft ...I can't see how they would go through the pump ...

Yes sir.. Melling HV77 Pump. Needle bearing went right up through the screen, and between the rotors in the pump.

I talked to Eddie. He validated the needle bearing issue and that he's seen them go through the oil pump screens when they somehow align just right when floating through the oil. I actually found 2 more needle bearings under the engine. I guess they fell down when I was pulled off the valve cover. Now just needle to locate the one straggler!. Will be pulling off the heads and sending them in to get re-worked and get the springs, rockers, and retainers. Looking though the Service Manual, it seems pretty straight forward. Hopefully, its not down to too long and salvage some of the summer.